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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    As usual with such reports I'll be adopting a wait and see approach. Every time the Russians hit somewhere they run to such kind of claims. Actually Russian claims tend to follow damned near the same script every time. It's nearly always that they took out an "underground bunker, full of Ukrainian(and sometimes NATO) generals/soldiers".

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Drone footage of something on grounds of that weirdly shaped massive palace being hit

    8-10 missiles used? Drone is 40km from front line

    edit; same on bluesky, cause f Elon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I mean if its a high value target in a bunker then why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Another report of Ukrainian POW's being executed!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    A bit on the Russian economy

    Exceptionally interesting and not particularly optimistic quotes regarding the current state and near future of the Russian economy by Russian business leaders. The quotes presented here came from the “Russian Economic Forum 2024” that just ended in Chelyabinsk.

    “You said that big business has a safety cushion and will be able to survive for a long time. In fact, under the current conditions, if we continue our investment program, we will run out of money within six months.We are presently closing current projects, and we are not even thinking about subsequent investments. The current interest rate on loans simply eats up all profitability.The enterprises represented here have up to 70% of the Soviet-era worn-out production capacities. But we cannot invest in their renewal and modernization. Loans are very expensive.”- Maria Ovechkina, Head of the Financial Resources Department of the Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works.

    “We have basically run out of people. If we talk about the manufacturing industry, then companies say - people are leaving in droves, going to the military-industrial complex. Our problem today is simply to retain those who are there, who are left.We do not see any light in terms of the development of the labor market. The situation here continues to worsen... not stabilize, but worsen. Therefore, many are forced to pause the development of production capacities. There is simply no one to work there.”- Kirill Tremasov, Advisor to the Chairman of the Central Bank.

    "Russian enterprises competing with Chinese ones are holding on with all their might. As a result of the [next] increase in the key rate, we will get a situation where key sectors of machine manufacturing will collapse. Already in the first quarter of next year, many companies - transport manufacturing and others - report a decrease in potential output of 30% or more. Why? Because no competitive business can work with loans at 27% per annum.”- Andrey Gartung, CEO of the Chelyabinsk Forging and Press Plant.“Whoever – unfortunately or fortunately – has a state defense order, is now subject to criminal liability for failing to fulfill it. Therefore, whether 20% or 30%, everyone will come and take out a loan. Well, so as not to go to jail.” - Andrey Klepach, Chief Economist of the state corporation VEB. RF.

    “I apologize, but we know what kind of gift businesses will get for the New Year: a key rate of 23%.”- Alexander Shokhin, President of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs.

    “We need to balance supply and demand. But if we balance it as a whole, then [this is what we will get]: by pressing the bank rate, consumer demand, and all production, we will only retain the production of basic goods and services. Those that can be created at this high rate... Ultimately, we may even cool inflation, but we will only be left with simple goods, without robotics and other high-tech industries.”- Ivan Kutsevlyak, First Deputy Governor of the Chelyabinsk Region.

    “Since 2023, three to seven representatives of Chinese companies have participated in all tenders. They win 50% of tenders and bring orders but without production in Russia. To summarize, production is not developing: European suppliers have been replaced by Chinese ones with higher prices and lower quality.”- Olga Aleksandrova, Financial Director of the Uralkran Group of Companies.

    https://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1858732731485630935

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    Ah Mary Lou!

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ukrainian-embassy-disturbed-over-sinn-fein-manifesto-plea-to-stop-unlimited-supply-of-weapons-into-ukraine/a1499876467.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    I wonder if Putin is considering giving the auld Communism another try. Bloody industrialists!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    IMG_0720.jpeg

    This is sus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,725 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Thanks for posting the link to the full article as I think the detail is important when a putin fan boy tries to be selective in what they quote from an article from a respected media source. The BBC article details an estimated land area grabbed by putin's terrorists in 2024 so far of 2700KM2 which is still less than half of a percent of Ukraine's land area. It might well be a multiple of what they grabbed in 2023 as the putin fan boy wanted to focus on but how many lives of his empire's young people has puitn destroyed to grab this land that he is likely to never be able to hold when faced by the millions of Ukrainians who will never accept moskovyte control of their country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    As I was saying in the previous thread, 2025 will be the end of the Russian economy. They have burned through the national wealth fund and now Russia will have to redistribute (confiscate or tax) whatever money that are left in private businesses to the military production. Unless Trump really screws Ukraine, Russia may need to give up all of its aspirations in Ukraine by the end of 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Well,that is a surprise,Captain is a citizen of the russian federation.

    Who'd have thought it!!!😂



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Well, napalm is a little inefficient (though we have been seeing thermite used in Ukraine recently). Fuel-air explosives tend to do the job napalm used to, buy do it better.

    I think the historical US position on AP mines is the correct one. The concern with them is the long-term persistent threat to civilians long after the war is over. The issue is the functioning of the mines, not the nature of them, which is the focus of the Ottawa treaty. US mines are battery operated. When the batteries die after a couple of weeks, the residual threat after the war is minimized, even for the ones which don't self destruct after two days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This has been going on a bit of late with selective out of context quotes from experts being used "x doesn't look good" when it might be a comparison or hasn't looked good for months.

    Also seen completely made up sources and AI sources in the past few days, they always run away and never engage on the facts as they are morally bankrupt individuals (I dont believe the bbc quote was intended as such as it was thanked).

    We're due for another encirclement Walter mitty session soon now that storm shadows are raining down on non-existent north koreans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Talking about appeasement & the Spanish Cvil War - WW2 period earlier in the thread, this tankie "peacenik" crusty is looking like a reincarnation of former LP leader George Lansbury who even met Adolf Hitler & Mussolini. Corbyn would certainly do the same, given the chance!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lansbury



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Big year ahead for Russia. Weaponry running low, economy is going to down the toilet, soldiers running low. The three day war is already three years old. Mad stuff.

    Crazy losses on both sides. Harsh winter on the way too on the battlefield. .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭riddles


    Great to see and even if there is a negotiated settlement- Russia will take a long time to repair economically which will exceed the midgets tenure surely!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭riddles


    Russia had 20% of the Ukraine in 2022 and today’s reports put the figure at 20%.

    Even if the US support were to decline would an EU model of full support for 12 months not be enough to bring it to and end given Russias impending financial collapse. It was long stated a conflict beyond 30-36 month would push towards bankruptcy and here we are.

    I guess with Germany - Boris Johnson and Trump we know the level of Russian infiltration in western administration which has created this situation in the first place.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,661 ✭✭✭yagan


    If the Trump withdrew support and Ukraine backed by the EU went on to reverse all Russian gains then NATO is in effect irrelevant.

    It would be ironic if Putin destroyed by losing the very threat he went to war against.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I simply can’t see the Russian economy ranking next year.

    They have vast resources and their oil and gas seems to be sustaining them quite ok.

    Now if China and India stopped buying then Russia would be screwed.

    They are screwed already if they need North Korean help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    This is proberly a fair simple question but how many of these long range missiles will Ukraine get and so can Putin just sit it out till the supply tails off .The potential targets for these missiles must be spread over a vast area so the chances of them really crippling Russia must be slim enough .Unfortunately Putin still has numbers at his disposal even if he has to go to the likes of Kim to aid him .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Venezuela has world’s largest oil reserves, countries with vast natural resources are not immune from economic implosions

    Hell it’s almost a national pastime in Russian history



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Not enough is all that matters. All Putin has to do is wait it out another few weeks and the war will swing his way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The EU will never support Ukraine. If the US reduces support then the EU will do the same. The US alone will determine the outcome of this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    This is the same Trump who said as far as he's concerned Russia can do whatever the hell it wants to European countries that don't spend enough on defence. He's a great admirer if Putin, has often called him very smart, etc. He's an odious individual even if some of it is just bluster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    According to BBC and Forbes the numbers are quite limited and anyone who thinks they are some kind of game changer is likely to be disappointed yet again. They will help, but they will not turn the tide. The aim is simply to give Ukraine a better hand for a negotiated settlement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭Field east


    Because English would not be Putins first language- I do’nt think he can even speak ‘pigeon English’- could it be the case that he got mixed up between days and years . Could he have meant THREE YEARS . ? !!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It looks likely Dnipro was hit by a number of MIRV's from an ICBM this morning, obviously of the conventional kind.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Often in this war we in Ireland just watch helplessly as we don’t have a military that can help with much

    But now that a certain Left wing populist party has prominently come out in support of letting Putin win his imperial war of conquest

    2024 and we have mainstream Left parties actively running on platforms that help authoritarian dictators gain colonies and enable genocide

    Couldn’t make this crap up, god help any SFers who come to my door



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