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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia jamming and disrupting European satellites. This is seen as just in the test phases for Russia now

    https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/collectie/13903/artikel/2544559-rusland-saboteert-zes-europese-satellieten-ook-nederlandse-tv-geraakt

    Another reminder that Russia has been waging hybrid war on us for years. The less we respond the more it increases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,752 ✭✭✭threeball


    I think it's fairly clear what they'll do. You just have to look at their tweets and reaction to Biden allowing ATACMS inside Russia to know where their loyalties lie.

    Ukraine really need to impress on the EU how absolutely imperative it is the they back fill the void that the US will leave. If Germany wants really cheap gas, the fastest route to that is a defeated Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    @brickster69 will be along any minute now to tell us this is a massive provocation and grounds for NATO to declare war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,752 ✭✭✭threeball


    This gobshite never heard of the Cuban missile crisis obviously.

    If there's one situation where a potential redline would be crossed its station nuclear weapons trained on Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,294 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Putin is in the autumn or possibly winter of his rule. I’ve no doubt his thinking will be along the lines of “if I can’t have Ukraine then no-one else can have it either”

    Disrupting electricity and placing the nuclear reactors in Ukraine at risk is a very simple way to bring panic to Europe - leaders have been asleep since this war started - if we think prices of goods and cost of raw materials is high today just wait.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Nonsense excuses. The only language a bully like Putin understands is escalation and now it's too little too late with Trump around the corner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    The EU have shown zero willingness to deal with Putin words aside. When Trump takes over and throws Ukraine to the wolves the EU will put all the blame on him and fail to look in the mirror.

    This was Europe's big test to see if we have the minerals to stand up and be counted and help a friend and we have failed miserably.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You aren't wrong, but there is definitely more context to it. For example, German doctrine was to build up such economic ties that war with Europe was impossible..

    With hindsight it's easy to see, but at the time it did make sense. Putin wasn't always this extreme.

    That said, Trump fawns over Putin. Called him a genius and savvy. And that was after the invasion. The only real attention he ever gave Ukraine was via dodgy dealings to try and score political points on Biden. Whatever criticism we want to level at the EU (and I can level plenty), Trump is in a category of his own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,633 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Reminds me of Spain in 1936 where everyone said "if we just appease the dictators a little bit more" then "a bit more, then a bit more" World war will never happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The anti personnel mines should have been given to Ukraine 3 years ago.

    Russia have been using them all along especially during the counter offensive by Ukraine.


    Count stress how vital they would have been in slowing down even stopping Russian advances.

    Too little too late.

    Post edited by Jinglejangle69 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    That's a very good comparison.

    There was a lot of dilly-dallying from the French, the British and the Americans regarding the technical details of how to help out the Government side while the USSR were more forthright. Meanwhile, Hitler and Mussolini didn't wait about and got in on the action by helping out Franco's insurgents.

    Unfortunately, it was too late by the time the first three got serious about actively helping the Government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    You must be old to remember that 😀

    Nah but seriously it's a decent analysis and unfortunately i don't see the urgency from European leaders in particular to address this challenge now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, when Israel flew in teams of commandos, took over Entebbe airport, and freed the Hostages Idi Amin was holding. Israel, will not allow under any circumstances a repeat of what Hitler tried to do to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,633 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There was not "dilly-dallying". They outright refused even after there was clearly evidence that the Germans and Italians were operating. The French even closed the borders on fleeing republicans.

    All fueled by people who said if England and France helped democratic Spain it would lead to "escalation" and cause a World War. Also helped by people in the England and France who were fascist sympathisers.

    The second paragraph sounds pretty familiar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I don’t work for Biden admin my post was just my theory

    Should US do and done more earlier? Absolutely

    Should EU countries do and done more earlier? Absolutely

    only country to have been on the ball this whole war are UK who I see are after training 50,000 Ukrainians too

    keep in mind EU as entity can’t do much due to presence of likes of Hungary and Austria, however this incompetence cuts both ways, you will have countries who will prevent EU sanctions from being dropped and ties reestablished with Russia

    That leaves eu states acting bilaterally (or in groups) you have everything from Hungary publicly prostituting itself to Putin to Ireland whom think we are somehow too far away and are immune from this war especially if it spreads, to Germany whom are oscillating wildly in their policies (despite To Berlin painted on their tanks), to Poland, Baltics and Nordics whom can clearly see the danger of Russia winning


    The “EU bad” posts are too simplistic and distract from a huge amount of nuance

    But hey I suspect the Russians know this and deliberately want us to spend our time arguing among ourselves instead of presenting a unified front and paying attention their actions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, of course. There are many examples of Israeli retribution for attacks on their citizens around the world. Even for those who have attacked Isreali's and managed to escape, sooner or later, Mossad will catch up with them, and kill them. A lot of the foot soldiers who took part in the oct 7 attack have been identified, tracked down and killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Ukraine's intelligence agency accuses Russia of spreading fake information about impending large attack

    "Ukraine’s main directorate of intelligence has accused Russia of spreading misinformation that there would be a large-scale attack today in what it described as “a massive information-psychological attack”

    Reuters quotes the agency statement saying “A message is being spread via messengers and social networks … about the threat of a ‘particularly massive’ missile and bomb strike on Ukrainian cities today. This message is a fake, it contains grammatical errors typical of Russian information and psychological operations.”

    Earlier Italy, Spain and Greece followed the US in closing their Kyiv embassies over attack fears. The US embassy said it had received “specific information” of a potential significant air attack and would be closed.

    The UK embassy in Kyiv remained open, while Germany’s embassy remained open in a limited capacity"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭Field east


    A number of things give me hope for this’ Special Mission’ ending up in UKr favour , eg :-

    (1)The demise of Putin especially when his age is considered - assassination, ill health , natural death

    • (2)the PRECIDENT set as per Ru experience in Afganistan
    • (3)The resilience / tenacity/ etc, etc, etc of the UKranians
    • (4) as the war goes on the more it is drawing on the exchequer and the impact this will have on essential services being underfunded, etc, etc, etc.
    • (3) The possible rebellion - especially in some of the outlying republics- in some areas as more and more soldiers return dead. That’s if they do return
    • (6) the olegarcs may decide that enough is enough and decide to do something about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    We've been hearing a lot of these things for over 2 years now. Putin now only has to last another few weeks before Trump moves the war is his favour. I want to be optimistic but im also a realist and bar Trump having a heart attack between now and then i don't see a route to victory for Ukraine.

    I'd go as far as to say i think talks are probably ongoing right now between Putin and Trump's people.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,888 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Ukraine was a signatory to the ban. Russia is not.

    There is a movement in Finland right now to pull out of it because… gee… the things are very useful. In fairness to Finland, it's not a new idea, but it's been getting a lot more traction the last year or so.

    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/politics/15686-joining-ottawa-treaty-was-a-blunder-by-a-peacetime-fool-says-minister-of-defence.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Pretty clear to see why Ukraine were a signatory to the ban.

    They would have pulled out 3 years ago I’m sure if the mines were offered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    The BBC are not optimistic

    'President Biden’s decision to provide anti-personnel mines to Ukraine, and allow the use of long-range missiles on Russian territory comes as the Russian military is accelerating its gains along the front line.Data from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) shows that Russia has gained almost six times as much territory in 2024 as it did in 2023, and is advancing towards key Ukrainian logistical hubs in the eastern Donbas region.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine's surprise incursion into Russia's Kursk region is faltering. Russian troops have pushed Kyiv's offensive backwards. Experts have questioned the success of the offensive, with one calling it a "strategic catastrophe" given manpower shortages faced by Ukraine. These developments come at a time of heightened uncertainty with a second Donald Trump administration looming. The US president-elect has vowed to bring the war to a close when he takes office in January, with some fearing he could cut future military aid to Ukraine.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Storm Shadow Missiles fired into Russia by Ukraine, The Times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Tigerbaby


    Breezy, I agree, and we have discussions on the Book Forum about Spain in that period.

    At no point did I mention appeasement of any kind in today's post.

    regards,

    T.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Allegedly. And here's the video (don't know how to embed tweets anymore)

    Turn up your sound everyone.

    https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1859234501299155264



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,633 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Sounded like you were weighing in on the oft repeated comments that we should not back Ukraine for fear of what Russia might do. That we should bow to Putin's constant "escalation" threats.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Tigerbaby


    Boggles,

    your pithy and rather sarcastic response is noted.

    Perhaps I should have expanded on my thoughts in my original post. I was thinking more in terms of the States beginning to militarily coalesce; viz Russia, China, Iran, North Korea. This coming together represents a far greater threat to World Stability than what was 'merely' a regional issue.

    Hence my comparison to July 1914, before things rapidly went out of control.

    I hope this clarifies my comment for you.

    Kind Regards,

    T.



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