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What whisk(e)y are we drinking? (Part 2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No, nothing like Islay, that would be interesting if it was, for me at least :)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭BabyEater


    Was searching some Bushmills and Drinks Hero came up, £111 + delivery for Bushmills 21. This works out about €135 which seems a great deal. I could get delivered to Jonesborough is this a legit site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ive ordered from them in the past but only for deliveries within ROI. Never tried anything like that.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭DeniG2


    legit site, have bought from them in the past with no issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭BabyEater


    Thanks lads order placed.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    When I tried the Innagural release I was disappointed at how strong the 'new make' notes were. It wasn't a quality product. You want businesses like this to do well, but I never revised them after that.

    Great gin though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    My reaction to the inaugural release was very different. I thought it to be really elegant, well made and complex, in a similar way to some of the Waterford releases. Difficult to describe that quality, but I like it. Haven't tried it since, though.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I agree it was quite similar to the Waterford releases of the same period - but they were young and a bit rough around the edges too! Excellent branding and marketing though, unsurprising given the company background.

    From doing a bit of sampling at the time, of the new independent distilleries bringing whiskey to market a few years ago, the only one I felt had their **** together for early releases was Dingle, to be honest.

    I've tried various samples from Sliabh Liag, and what they will be releasing is excellent, they've taken their time with it, so I do have to wonder what was going on with Dumshambo and Waterford, why the rush to market…? An awareness that a lot of punters would just plough money in anyway? (Waterford certainly had a bit of a mini bubble going there, for a while)

    The above is my opinion only, clearly there's a subject element to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Gosh. I thought the inaugural Dingle release was pretty awful - very harsh and not ready at all. I haven't tasted any subsequent releases but I believe they have improved immensely.

    Here's a thing : I don't consider "young" to necessary be a bad thing. I love the taste of new make and if done well, can be classy and elegant, imo. If not done well, it's harsh and unpleasant. For me, that young taste can be a lovely element of a well balanced whiskey.

    Also, Dingle released at 3 years and both Waterford and Drumshambo at 5 years, asaik.

    I've liked pretty much everything Sliabh Liag have done to date, I look forward to their releases.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    A 3-5 year old whisky can definitely still be very well executed… The Scots and English seem to manage it more consistently than the new wave of Irish distillers. It's tempting to say that use of peat, but I'm not solely thinking of peated whiskies.

    The youngest whisky I've ever tried that I was blown away by was the appropriately named Roughstock Montana whisky… I think only 2 years old…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    The early Waterford stuff was 3 years old and pretty rough. A triumph of marketing. I recently tasted some of their 6 year old stuff and the difference is massive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I don't believe that this is true.

    I can't find anything to back up my 5 years claim but I can find evidence that they started distilling in Jan 2016 and they released whisky in 2020. So the early releases must have been over 4 years old at least, by my reckoning.

    The one I had, I most certainly wouldn't call it in any way rough despite its 50ish %. I don't reliably remember which one I had.

    Also, if people insist on drinking stronger spirits without water, if they aren't used to these strengths, they will seem harsh due to simply having more alcohol!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I think we're probably all experienced enough here that the ABV is not the issue, when we describe something as 'rough', though?

    An average punter, absolutely, even a 40% ABV whisky will be described as something that "would the head off you", if they're made to drink it neat.

    But I'd tend to assume that regular posters here probably mean 'rough' in the sense of how they believe the whisky presents in general, relative to the quality of the distillate, and its age and finish at bottling for the consumer.

    By the by, I've done initial tastings of cask strength and whiskies and bourbons at an ABV of 55%+ and if they're very well made, you might think they're heavy-duty and powerful, but I wouldn't tend to describe them as 'rough' in the same way that I would when a distillery that is still finding its feet brings something young to market, and they haven't figured out how to counterbalance problems with it.

    The ultimate example of a heavy hitter that was also super refined is the single bottle of Buffalo Trace antique collection William Larue Weller I won in a lottery a few years ago.. It was the only 64% ABV bourbon I've ever tasted where, even without water, it was somehow manageable. Just incredible.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    These posts do make me want to revisit some of these distilleries, and also some of the newer kids on the block, and see how things are these days.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Which Waterford whiskeys are people recommending these days? Ratheadon 1.2 was always the top choice on this forum a few years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Ah, I wasn't suggesting that regular posters wouldn't have the cop on the realise that stronger spirits taste hotter. It most certainly wasn't directed towards any post here. Just something to keep in mind that some people don't really allow for stronger drops and never ever dilute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I think that may have been the early one I really liked and had something like half a bottle of it so I really got to know it. (edit : it was the 1.1 that I had)

    Tasting something once is a very different experience to tasting something several times for me.

    I'd say I've tasted 3 of the waterfords, liked two and really didn't like one of them (one of the cuveés, I think).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    I have a Ballykilcavan 1.1 and a Bannow Island 1.1 on the shelf and they're 3 year old whiskeys. None of the initial stuff was 5 years old. And they kept releasing young whiskey in the first couple of years.

    I've supported them as I'm from Waterford as have a few of my friends but the early stuff was on the rough side. We all believe it was too young coming to market.

    Recently we tasted quite a few samples of 5 and 6 year old whiskeys in the distillery and the age has certainly improved it.

    We've also tasted new make spirit there a few times and it's excellent so the issue isn't with the quality of that.

    And I wouldn't consider 50% to be over the top given how much cask strength stuff is on the market now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    I got a bottle of Goldthorpe recently and it's the best thing I've tasted from there. They gave us some at a tasting and quite a few of us bought a bottle. Pricey at €100 but we got 10% off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Can you provide an explanation or a source for your information that those early releases were 3 years old? I'll need a little more than, "trust me bro". I've acknowledged that my 5 year claim is probably wrong but 4 years seems likely to me from what information I can find online - namely that they started distilling in Jan 2016 and they released in 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    So Ballykilcavan was aged for 3 years, 11 months and 18 days. So closer to 4 years than 3. But they had to call it 3 years old at the time. If you asked. It's no age statement. I'm surprised by the age of this as they said it was 3 when asked.

    Bannow Island was 3 years, 7 months and 27 days. Same as above.

    Ratheadon was 3 years, 9 months and 5 days. As above.

    I don't have any Ratheadon as I drank it all. It was the best of the first lot. I'm rarely tempted to go back to the other two except to offer a taste to someone.

    I still think they were all too young but releasing them was understandable given that they didn't go the gin route to create revenue.

    I couldn't find the above info on their website but luckily a reviewer had it.

    https://cask-strength.com/2020/07/07/the-waterford-distillery-single-farm-origin-a-trio-about-terroir/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭janiejones


    The 1 year old baoilleach holy smoke was outstanding (not technically) whiskey. Peat was probably a big part of that



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Have they stopped releasing poitín now that they're almost ready to release their whiskeys? I wanted to get another Holy Smoke recently and couldn't find it anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭janiejones


    Yeah, I think he stopped making poitin due to cost of labelling it as such or something. Didn't really understand. Think the whiskey is all almost 3 years off but they're selling casks. Limited bottles left of the 18 - 24 month stuff, https://www.baoilleachdistillery.ie/collections/products. I haven't bought this one or tried it. The stuff I've had has been hit and miss to my taste



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Had a sneaky taste of the final Dingle release in the wheel of the year series ("Dreolin". I say sneaky because it's not officially released until the 28th of November).

    It's gorgeous. Might be that they saved the best for last.

    (Single Pot still finished in muscatel casks)

    I'm guessing 7-8 year old liquid as that's what all the others were. €95 a bottle not cheap, but worth it for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Interesting, I think Dingle Samhain was the first one I tasted in the series and that was Single Malt finished in Muscatel casks. So this one is longer aged and is a Pot Still. I will look forward to trying it when it surfaces.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Yeah and Samhain was a cracker aswell. That along with Gheimhridh, Earraigh and now Dreolin would be the highlights for me from the 9.

    The only disappointment was Fomhair for me. But rum cask finishes have almost never been a winner for my palate.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Recent posts have inspired me to take a punt on a bottle of Boann single pot still PX. Got it on my way home from work.

    When the kids are in bed, and I'm watching some trashy zombie tv, I'll crack it open and give a review.

    Could be a terrible 70 euro mistake but it has been well reviewed and my hope is that the sometimes overwhelming PX finish will assist with the youth of the spirit...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭BabyEater


    Drink hero order arrived. Nice and quick. £249 delivered. Good value for this lot.

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