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Sky Mobile, coming to Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Morby


    I'm out in holidays in Spain so roaming ATM.

    I'm noticing that I'm being charged for every call I make out here - roaming on every other network I've used before has always been free / included in your monthly allowance.

    What's up with this? I thought every network did free roaming nowadays!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    You get charged for calling numbers in the country your in, it’s free to call home to Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    Unless you're calling a premium rate number then roaming calls within EEA are meant to be included and not charged as extra. Sky have listed those calls in their terms as an additional charge but that contravenes the EU roaming regs. If they don't rectify this then make a formal complaint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    Try calling local numbers without the international access code. E.g, in Barcelona, call the Marriott on 0933-184432, and not +34-933-184432



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    I decided to harass the SKY support WhatsApp again, over lack of 4G calling, (VoLte). The minion tried to tell me my reception was fringe, obviously after putting my address into the Comreg map. I have decent 4g and 5g at home, but reminded him that calling is always 2g no matter where Iam, even with a strong 4g signal. He just persists with the Comreg red herring, then says the problem is caused by Comreg! Just read this reply;

    Mamun
    I am sorry if you feel that way, but you can go to comreg coverage and check it yourself, also since all the configurations are done through comreg we can only provide this Network. The configurations can't be changed, for few Samsung mobiles wifi calling is not working. Because it is not available or suitable for few devices.

    So it's all Comregs fault! Breathtaking incompetence, and clutching at straws.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭pfftdetail


    Should report them for that, imagine blaming your own network performance on ComReg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    Sad really. Like a previous Agent, he kept printing stuff from the screen in front of him, ' Got to settings/mobile/networks and select Volte', despite being told multiple times that the menu item wasn't there. Then he gave menu instructions for a different phone, probably a pixel. When I presented technical info like saying ' there's no "IMS registered" entry in the APN', it didn't draw a comment, because the call centre bot knows nothing about this level of detail.

    I'll go to an actual Sky shop, there's a big one in Blanchardstown, and request an end to the contract as they have sold something they can't fulfill. The €20 Vodafone deal looks well worth the extra fiver, especially after I read above that some people who changed to SKY are being billed for roaming calls that should be part of their allowance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    I tried to cancel today, they were adamant they are trying to sort the roaming issues out, they pleaded to give them a chance to resolve issues, they said I would loose my number if I cancelled my contract, is that correct?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭baz9375


    I heard the same from them for two months. Threw the towel in!


    It took a complaint to comreg to get sorted - within a day of opening a case with comreg I got a callback from Sky saying they’d release me from contract without cost. Ported back to Vodafone that day.

    The guy who called me said they were working on the roaming issue but had no idea when it would be fixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    That's a pretty low threat to make. Notwithstanding the consumer 'fit for purpose' laws and other regulations, for people worried about cancelling in contract and sky vanishing their precious ported number into oblivion, read this from their Ts&Cs. They'll save your number for 13 months.
    • If you don't transfer your number when leaving Sky, the number will be held for 13 months. If you still don't transfer the number during this time, it will be recycled and you'll be unable to recover it.

    So, they're prepared to lie through their teeth to prevent you lawfully disengaging for breach of contract. Not surprising, their ads are a lie, the 4g service offered is a lie, so their Ts&Cs are probably lies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,751 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Cancelled last week (see above). No issue with porting back to Gomo and retaining my number.

    No early cancellation fee either but given all the issues they're having it would be very foolish to try and enforce that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Morby


    So in relation to charges for making calls abroad whilst roaming, I got a call from Sky and received this email after

    "As mentioned, the international mobile calls are not included in your plan at home or when away."

    So is this right? Whenever I was on holiday in EU previously, all calls were free/bundled with my minutes

    But Sky are charging for calls made to Spanish numbers whilst roaming in Spain

    Is this contravening any EU legislation or regulations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    Roam like home means you pay when abroad at the same Irish rate, the out of bundle rate. So many cents/min, but not the international rate if you called the same number while at home. You'll need to check Sky's rates for out of bundle local rates, which are probably Sky high as all their local charges are bundle only. This implies though that there is no cost for local landline or mobile calls in Ireland fir Sky customers. I found in the Netherlands I could ring landlines on my anpost/Vodafone plan when I dialled like a local, without the +international access code.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    https://www.comreg.ie/advice-information/roaming-2/using-your-mobile-within-the-eu/#1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Cancelled and moved back to Vodafone (keeping my number) for the reasons I mentioned earlier in the thread.

    To Skys credit, they mentioned I was out of the cooling off period, I told them the service was completely not up to scratch and that I felt the early termination fee was unfair. They said fair enough, and cancelled the contract without further hassle with no early exit fee.

    So customer service was excellent, just a pity about the network. If things improve I might re-consider switching, but I couldn't recommend it to anyone, even at the price its at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    "Is this contravening any EU legislation or regulations?"

    Yes it is.
    When roaming in EEA, calls to EEA numbers are treated as domestic calls (ie same as a call made within Ireland to Irish numbers when at home). Since domestic calls are included in Sky's plan then they can't charge extra for EEA roaming calls.
    If you want to double check this with Comreg then call or email their consumer line:
    01 8049668
    consumerline@comreg.ie

    https://www.comreg.ie/advice-information/roaming-2/

    https://www.comreg.ie/advice-information/roaming-2/using-your-mobile-within-the-eu/

    Make a formal complaint to Sky (if you haven't done so already), they need to provide a complaint reference number, emails or calls with customer service without a reference number are just a way to give consumers the runaround.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭babelfish1990


    This looks like a shocking example of a UK headquartered provider assuming that Ireland is part of the UK, and therefore not entitled to free roaming in the EU? I find that UK companies (not just telecomms providers) are frequently ignorant that Ireland is part of the EU and regularly ignore the different regulations that apply here, when they localize their products for sale in Ireland. Sky also recently launched their Sky Stream/Glass TV streaming product without taking account of the separate requirements in Ireland, and assumed that BBC i-Player was available here. Some Sky Broadband customers were also assigned UK IP addresses and were blocked from receiving RTE!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭whosedaddy?


    As mentioned here before, they are calling it out in their tariff guide.

    While it is contrary to EU legislation, Sky is probably thinking that if you are in Ireland, it cost you to call Spain. so calling Spain from Spain or Italy from France shouldn't be free (unless you had free international minutes in your plan - which sky doesn't include). So under that definition there is no extra cost making those calls abroad. they are charging the same as if there were made from Ireland..

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    https://www.sky.com/help/articles/sky-mobile-tariff-guide-roi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭biebiebie


    Isn’t that similar to GoMo? Albeit GoMo are 30c per min whilst Sky are cheaper at 23c.

    https://gomo.ie/wp-content/uploads/GOMO-ROAMING-PRICING-UPDATE-26042023-1.pdf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Regarding the VoLTE or lack of, I was looking at my recent call list today to get a number and all the mobile to mobile calls had the little "HD" symbol beside them. Unless I'm mistaken, this implies both ends have used VoLTE. No switch in the settings still, so it implies as somebody suggested a while back it's on by default.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    You'll all think I'm crazy but (as I mentioned on another thread) I went back! 😂

    I went to GoMo again after the whole Vodafone porting debacle I had, despite the coverage being bad at home. That wasn't too much of an issue there because Wi-Fi calling worked well, but I found that the coverage still wasn't good while on parts of my commute and streaming was an issue as a result. Maybe if the DAB network hadn't been switched off, that wouldn't have been such a problem…

    The Wi-Fi calling while roaming was the main reason why I really wanted to use GoMo, but I had to tell myself not to degrade my home experience for the sake of a couple of weeks a year. And since I refuse to go with any provider that does annual price increases and wanted to avoid prepay if possible, I thought of Sky again! I didn't have much hassle with them the first time, I just chickened out of committing to the year, really wanted GoMo to work, and was a little put off by the issues on here. So I went back. I haven't had a single issue - VoLTE, Wi-Fi calling and 5G all working perfectly for me on the iPhone 13. I was a bit nervous that Vodafone killed off 3G since I left, but it hasn't affected me yet. I also went up to Belfast last Saturday on the train; I was nearly in Newry by the time it connected to a UK network so it seemed a bit slow, but once it connected to O2 UK it was fine, data worked normally without any messing. I'm happy enough to stay put.

    I did notice the first time that Wi-Fi calling seems to drop more on Sky but I think I worked out why. It always disconnects for me when in work, but I have a full signal in there. At home, where my signal is fairly weak (but not as bad as Eir/GoMo), it doesn't drop at all. I wonder if Sky have a different priority on their Wi-Fi calling, where it will prioritise the cellular network if the signal is above a certain level?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    That example was when a sky customer put his workphone Vodafone sim in his own mobile. No Volte toggle switch in the mobile network page, but he had data and 4g calls.

    The only way to know is if you get the HD symbol during a call, or check your sim status to see if mobile data and mobile call are using a 4G protocol during a call. I have several calls which show the HD symbol on my calls list, including calls made to my voicemail, but a quick glance at the sim status during these shows 2G (Edge) on calls, and browsing during these calls loses data.

    An easy test was to change the settings to 4g and 5g only, not usally offerd in themobile network settings, but I used Voltecheck app to access network carrier info to set this. I could neither make or receive calls while this was set as VoLTE or HD calling was definitely switched off as shown in the carrier info page on the app.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭whosedaddy?


    Gomo states that the rates apply once you exceed your allowance. You can of course argue whether those rates apply immediately as your allowance doesn’t include international calls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭deezell


    The EU roam like home principle means you don't pay any more than your local rate for mobile to mobile or mobile to landline at home. This is not necessarily the inclusive bundle rate, but the per minute out of bundle rate. If you're in Spain, registered on a local provider, then a call to a Spanish number is not an international call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    As an example, here is what Vodafone includes when EEA roaming...

    "Calls and Texts back to other Irish numbers or to any number in Europe"

    https://n.vodafone.ie/support/mobile/travelling-abroad.html

    …and Eir:

    "You can use your any network calls & texts anywhere in the EU to call other EU destinations, and they will be deducted from your allowances as they would at home"

    https://www.eir.ie/roaming/

    ...as per EEA roaming regs, Sky are "confused" about roaming and are applying the tariff that was in place before 2017.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭whosedaddy?


    I understand that. I'm only commenting on what the providers put out there in either a deliberate attempt to confuse ppl (knowing they break the rules) or not understanding the regulations. But they may claim that those where published terms and conditions and anyone signing up agreed to those T&C. and as for the legality it needs to be tested before Comreg..
    Had a look at Vodafone and T-Mobile Germany how they phrase the roam like@home.
    When in EU country (and UK is part of the EU roaming) any outgoing call to another EU country is charged at the national rate. (which free for inclusive minutes and then the regular local rate - depending on their different contracts).

    And in the example of gomo above, they state the same. the out of bundle local call rate is 30cents. !
    While sky says you have "unlimited" local calls included (FUP), so they should never charge for EU to EU roaming calls. They either need to add that the 23cents only apply outside the bundle, or put 0cent in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,865 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hi folks, apologies if this has been asked already - I’m travelling in the EU at the moment and the roaming simply is not working. Will not connect to a network both manually and automatically (iPhone 15 Plus). Anyone know a solution to this? TIA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭DopeTech


    I was in the uk again recently this week and it hadn’t connected to the roaming network after about an hour despite me setting it to partner settings in the sim applications app. Similarly I set it back to home sky settings after landing in Ireland and it hadn’t connected an hour later until I toggled airplane mode again. (Using an unlocked iPhone 15). It always eventually works but if I was a frequent traveler this would get on my nerves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭pfftdetail


    See it's unlimited EU roaming because you never connect so that's how it makes financial sense for them to offer that! :P



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 siddhanth


    Hello everyone. I am using a Pixel 5 on eir and the call drops to 3g while on call. I am planning to switch to Sky but wanted to ask if that is the case with Sky as well. If anyone using a Pixel could clarify please? Will have to let go of the €9.99 offer but not dropping to 3g is really crucial for me.



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