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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,391 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    You would be thinking the Ukrainians will fire as much if these off now before Trumps takes over

    Lof tempting targets

    GcnHaFbXoAAv1Jz.jpeg

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I would not say that myself. Joe, like other presidents in the US are heavily dependent on advance from other departments in this case defense and intelligence in other words it's a mini FUBER a lot of personal are to blame for the approach in the last 12 months. I would say recent calls been made like financial aids and today's decision on using long range weapons may well be all joe himself. He has nothing to worry about now in his final few weeks of president.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Kerch seems way too obvious but it would **** beautiful to watch it get blown to hell.
    I wonder what else the Ukrainians could potentially target with them.

    I also wonder is this a too late moment considering trump stop this in two months so if I were Zelenskyy I’d be hitting Russia as much as possible and make Moscow reap what they sow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Their remaining Black Sea fleet comes to mind tbh.

    The idea that hey could have their fleet destroyed would leave them well open in the southern regions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    This announcement is bullshite. The first wave should have been deployed, then confirm the approval. Why give them a heads up to prep, absolute bs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Biden to allow ATACM's to be used in the Kursk region of Russia

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russians in Berlin had a march against the fascist dictator Putin today. Banners calling for to end Putin and dispose of him.

    Good news at last about Ukraine being allowed hit the smarmy Russian terrorists. Especially on the back of last night's attack on Ukraine electricity grid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭rubbledoubledo


    Very true , send off a shot of them straight away , be telling them after



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    In a few months the far left who helped Trump get elected will learn all about hypocrisy and longingly look back at the time there were adults in the room

    as bulldozers start preparing the ground for Trump Mediterranean Resorts by crunching over bones, from the river to the sea.

    Btw on news today that Kushner already has larger property empire than senior thanks to his Arab contacts

    But all that going off on a tangent, like your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Yeah I don't understand why Putin gets a bit of notice regarding any attacks ,surely better decide what to go for then Putin will know about them .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    just guessing here. maybe disruption, strain resources, shake up command and politics.

    maybe like israel when they announced theyd strike iran when it was to israels convenience, to show a sort of impunity, confidence, inevitability.

    if they hit something after announcement and its a success then how incompetent does the other side look to their troops, no confidence in command, push them towards rebellion. the other side announce their plans on the news and theres still nothing we can do, fck this.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    As I said previously I am no geopolitical expert. However, I consider the decision to allow Ukraine fire US missiles into Russia by president Biden in the final weeks of his presidency as a major mistake. Why wait until now?. If he had made that decision a year ago he had plenty if time to handle any repercussions arising. He could have continued to escalate as the need arose. Now, he has handed the initiative to Russia. If they escalate further what can Biden do? Allow even more advanced missile strikes and end his presidency in crisis, making it easier for Trump to be peacemaker. I realise that a large majority of posters agree with President Biden's decision but I genuinely believe that he has made a very significant mistake. Events in the next few weeks will prove me right or hopefully for everyone concerned, very wrong..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Grand we'll wait for him to disown the zionists in Israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    A lot of concern being shown by friends of putin/trump tonight.

    What has got their knickers into such a twist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Russia escalate further? What can they do? They already have imported thousands of North Koreans and a response was needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Teachers in Russia demonstrate how to make tinfoil fascist helmets to protect children from Western values and as a way of placating Putin.

    sibreal.org/a/master-klass-po-izgotovleniyu-shapochek-iz-folgi-iz-novovoronezhskoy-shkoly-1-mp4/33197550.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    The jobless are starting to worry….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭macraignil


    putin's terrorists just launched a massive missile and drone attack on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. Seems a perfect time to lift the request on Ukraine to refrain from hitting russian federation territory with US supplied weapons as it is even more clear now that putin is not holding back on using long range weapons on the people of Ukraine. Hopefully now the supply of these long range weapons to Ukraine will be ramped up and putin's terrorists and their ability to strike at Ukraine will be eliminated and this potentially might allow less scope for putin to think he could enter peace negotiations from a position of strength (which seems to be what some people posting here think in spite of him needing to be propped up in the conflict by north Korea and Iran).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Please re read what I posted. I never said there are currently peace negotiations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,284 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    While Russia clearly still has a lot of armour there are signs they don't have enough to cover all unit's on the attack which will increase losses. As time goes on civilian vehicles will become more common.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Possibly the two unnamed officials who are so far the only source for the story are leaking this because they disagree with the policy and want to push the administration into walking it back.

    Its a very bad idea for US to carry out an act of war against Russia. Given Biden's obvious mental decline its not clear he's qualified to order it. But lets wait and see how it plays out - already pro-Ukrainian think tanks are saying even if this is official it wont change the course of the war.

    In the best case, Russia can respond by helping Iranian backed militias to hit US and israeli forces strung out across the middle east, along with providing anti-ship missiles to the Houthis to strike NATO warships in and around the Red Sea. If the UK and French join the attacks, then Russia can more openly strike UK and French bases outside of Europe (no Article 5 protection). UK and France would have to take the loss and backdown. The worst case scenario is Russia feeling it has to openly strike US forces directly to restore deterrence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What proof of bidens mental decline please?

    russia will not strike any US targets, if they do there will be an apology faster than when that russian missile misfired and went into Poland. Russia are utterly castrated on the world stage with their only hope being an incoming castrated US president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭threeball


    Musks decision to buy twitter has probably put him on course to be the first trillionaire since Trump was made President. Watch his government contracts triple as a result. Trump will get his cut. Could even buy shares in Truth social just to give it some value.

    Had Trump lost it could have been his first step on the road to bankruptcy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,753 ✭✭✭threeball


    I think Biden should leave a large **** sandwich for Trump to deal with before leaving office. Missile strikes in Russia opens Pandoras box. If Putin doesn't respond to the first strike then there's no reason to belief he reacts to the rest.

    Just remember the mess that Trump left when he committed to leaving Afghanistan after he had left office.

    Biden should allow a massive attack on Russian airfields and arms depots round Jan 10 then hand the keys to Trump. We'll see within a fortnight how much Putin really has on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Proof of Biden's mental decline lol

    Eh the last few months of his tenure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What metrics over the last few months? Jobs and economy are going well, border is being held up by the president elect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Putin's hands are tied now because he risks severing his ties with Trump. He can't attack US forces because then it ruins the presidency of Trump coming in. Makes Trump weak in public if he doesn't respond to a russian attack. And Trump's built up persona won't allow that. Perfect play by Biden.

    Pity it was so long in coming though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Biden was forced to withdraw from the Democratic candidacy (wrongly, in my opinion) due to his obvious mental decline no longer being possible to hide from the public during the elections. The Dems preferred to run a nobody like Harris rather than go with the incumbent President Biden, because his mental decline was so clear and could no longer be hidden.

    Lets not now pretend otherwise.

    As for what Russia will or wont do. Firstly, the US hasn't confirmed this policy change, nor has any strikes actually occurred yet. Secondly, the idea that Russia will not respond to provocations, that it is too weak and must just sit back and take it has been proven false before. Russia has at all points reacted to its red lines being crossed - firstly by seizing Crimea in 2014 in reaction to the coup, then by intervening (in 2014) against Ukrainian forces when they were in danger of being overwhelmed, and then by intervening again (in 2022-24) after refusals to settle the conflict diplomatically. We are where we are now because Russia has consistently punished provocations despite public claims they were too weak to do so.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0

    Despite growing jitters in the West, Ukraine’s military leaders say they are making a well-calculated gamble, betting that Mr. Putin feels he has too much to lose to invade, including the possibility of crippling international sanctions. So while Western officials view each new Ukrainian artillery barrage in Donetsk as drawing the country closer to the brink, the Ukrainians see their unchecked advance as further confirmation that Mr. Putin is mobilizing troops only as a scare tactic to keep them from reclaiming territory.
    The government in Kiev is “calling Putin’s bluff,” said Oleh Voloshyn, a former Ukrainian diplomat, who said political leaders dismissed Mr. Putin’s moves as “psychological pressure.”
    “If we pause, it would show Putin that any time he puts troops on the border, we will stop,” Mr. Voloshyn said.

    But they lost that bet - Russia wasn't bluffing in 2014 and did intervene.

    https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2014/02/how-ukraine-destroyed-the-myth-of-russias-great-power?lang=en

    But now Russia’s bluff has been called. It is not yet clear what lasting impact the sudden downfall of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych will have in the region. But what is already clear is that the myth of Russian power has been thoroughly shredded. The heroic people of Ukraine’s Euromaidan protest movement, helped unwittingly by the EU and some eleventh-hour U.S. diplomacy, revealed Moscow’s real power status.

    As a result, Putin lost Ukraine in the endgame on February 21. In the multiparty negotiations in Kiev that evening, Moscow agreed to early presidential elections in Ukraine, only to see the situation unravel within hours.

    But Putin’s real power, as German journalist Clemens Wergin has noted, is relative: it depends on how much counterpower the West is willing to apply. With its economy, society, and military in decay, Russia’s strength does not have much of an original source of its own.

    The above demonstrates how much of the analysis in 2024 is just the same warmed up analysis from early 2014 that imagined Russia's bluff had been called back then. If only NATO pushes a little bit harder, Russia will collapse. But it didn't in 2014. Why would things be different in 2024?

    The absolute danger - and why US engaging in a non-deniable act of war against Russia such a bad idea - is that as a sovereign nation, Russia cannot tolerate other states directly attacking it. It has to respond to restore deterrence. Otherwise a negative precedent is set. And as noted, all the predictions from 2014 that Russia was bluffing and wouldn't react were wrong then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Sadly, they may still be out of range even now ☹️



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