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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yeah, so? I don't follow them and you don't have to do it either. I don't even know who those two are, maybe I heard the first name but not the second, and definitely I don't follow any of them. And why is it that you only have a problem with white supremacy and not with other color supremacists and race baiters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭crusd


    I love this style of argument - "lets pivot to something nominally adjacent but irrelevant to discussion to avoid uncomfortable truths". Really shows a true towering intellect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The reality is that there's a very clear and present issue with white supremacist movements. The FBI ranks it as the number one terrorist threat in the US. Black supremacist movements are far and few between so it doesn't tend to rank among concerns for me, there's not a major amplification of black supremacy on Twitter, there is for white supremacists.

    Now I suspect you'll go on a rant about BLM or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Of course I will rand about BLM, a black supremacists organization that is responsible of countless riots, looting and destruction, a few direct deaths and indirectly many more by pushing for defunding the police.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    BLM is not a black supremacist organization which is sign enough of the warped point you're starting from. You're engaging in a false equivalence between white supremacists and a group highlighting racism and racial inequality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭francois


    Purged account today, don't forget it updated TOS. Utter cesspit of bots, porn, Nazis and blue tick simps looking for crumbs from space karen. Good riddance to it. On bluesky for a while now, much nicer experience, plenty of people migrating, 1 million in a single day tells you what people think of twatter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    See? Conversation between people with opposing views - that's why is X better, that's one of the last remaining places where your opinions can be challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And as a person who left Twitter last year, the reason I left was because extremists were being promoted. There was not some deep conversation occurring, it was other extremists being given priority in responses. It's no different to a 4chan or stormfront conversation at that point.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Opposing views are great - an echo chamber would be boring.

    But then there's the abuse and boiling hatred (not just on the part of the right btw) - what say you to that, Cordell?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You seem to be so up to date and weirdly annoyed by a platform that you left a year ago. You left it, so why do you care so much?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You seem to be intent on moving the goal posts whenever your argument doesn't actually hold up. I'm just stating my opinion on the direction the platform has taken and don't think boosting the voice of white supremacists is something to be celebrated. It's not created a forum where such voices are being challenged as you seem to think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It depends of the level of abuse and hatred - for example, the death threats that people like JK Rowling are getting should not be tolerated. The hatred and abuse Trump and his voters are getting is mostly mild enough to be tolerated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Just because someone doesn't use Twitter doesn't mean they can't be concerned about it. It is very concerning. We're in an era of crazy, e.g. there's an anti-vaxxer and lunatic conspiracy theorist who has just been (provisionally) appointed as US health secretary - if you said that to someone 15 years ago they would not have believed you.

    Sites like Musk's Twitter (Musk himself was pushing anti-vax stuff) are partly responsible for this movement. Anti-science, anti-logic, anti-intellectualism, hate, division - it's awful stuff, and it's being propagated by just a few individuals.

    I don't for one second buy that Musk purchased Twitter for purely business reasons, he bought it to own a narrative, like some crank on Boards buying this site to get rid of all the mods and turn it into a cesspit of their own views.

    And that's precisely what's happened - except that Twitter reaches 10's of millions of people, affecting how they think.

    If RFK or Alex Jones or any number of other cranks took over any social media - the same thing would happen. A megaphone and amplifier for their extreme views under the guise of "free speech". This was all predicted.

    It's dangerous concerning ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Crazy anti vaxxer anti science conspiracy theories predate Twitter, even social media, even the internet itself. People need to be educated, not have their information sanitized by some sort of ministry of truth. So if you need for someone to blame for the crazy anti science conspiracies then that's the education system, not X.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yes they do predate, but they are getting massively amplified.. thanks in part (a huge part) to badly regulated social media

    The education system doesn't teach this stuff. I never learned this crap in school, did you? No.

    I learnt history, science and facts in school. Not anti-vax quackery.

    However your aunt is now an anti-vaxer due to social media. Your friend who didn't have a good lockdown is now a conspiracy theorist thanks to social media. Your other friend has start posting all this far right stuff online thanks to social media.

    40% of Republicans in the US believed Bill Gates was going to track people via microchips in vaccines. You want to reform their entire education to reduce that figure slightly … or regulate social media more? Exactly.

    Unregulated or deregulated social media is a dumpster fire, just look at 4chan.

    It's really an astonishing coincidence isn't it, Musk has all sorts of fringe views, he buys Twitter, fires most of the staff, it then turns to **** and amplifies those fringe views.

    Quick blame the .. spins wheel.. education system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    The education system doesn't teach this stuff. I never learned this crap in school, did you? No.

    Actually I did learn about biology, I did learn about logic and critical thinking. I didn't learn anything about internet misinformation because it was not a thing back then. The internet, not misinformation. Educate people about vaccines, about how they work, what they do and what they don't do, that's a much better way that fighting an everlasting and ultimately losing war against misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The governments of the world get together tomorrow, and they all decide that all schools will include on their curriculum much more focus on critical thinking, analysing disinformation, etc. Over decades there's a gradual reduction in the uptake of disinformation.

    Oooorrr they just regulate social media now.

    In 2015 you could type 9/11 into Youtube or Google and you'd get thousands of hits on 9/11 conspiracy theories, all at the top. Government hearings said "eh, change that BS", so they changed the algo's, hey presto a massive chunk of disinfo removed.

    Both need to be done, but one is much more feasible to implement in the short and medium term than the other.

    And to pre-empt, no this isn't about "censorship" or "deEp StatE miniStrY of TruTh" any of that lark, it's about reducing false and potentially dangerous information.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 13,314 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    Everyone is making a mad dash to Bluesky. X is dead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Some amount of horsesh1t being spouted here. "Liberals don't like it cos they have to encounter opposing viewpoints". That is literally the argument of a child and if you believe it you are a moron.

    The fact is that people are streaming for the exits because Musk, in his divine wisdom, has made the user experience demonstrably worse in so many ways since he has taken over:

    • Polluting the timeline with ads from extremely sketchy and disreputable companies
    • The absolute proliferation of spam, crypto and porn bots - which is especially ironic given that one of Musk's original goals was removing the bots
    • Destroying the very concept of the blue tick to where it's now usually the sign of some account spewing disinformation - this had serious consequences during the recent Hurricanes where fake news accounts with blue ticks were telling people lies about FEMA
    • Promoting blue tick accounts in the replies above all others. Before Musk the most liked replies went to the top - these were typically the funniest or most intelligent responses. Now it's just a collection of awful takes - many simply trying to rage bait for engagement - which brings me to the next point
    • Creating an structure where accounts are monetarily incentivised to generate engagement, via whatever necessary means. This is mean a proliferation of blue tick accounts pumping out low quality content designed to induce feelings of fear and anger.
    • The complete gutting of the moderation department. People being abusive in replies is par for the course but that's minor enough compared to other issues - the site now allows literal Holocaust deniers (I have posted example of this in this very thread) and Hitler appreciators.
    • Sticking most of the functionality of the Twitter API behind a paywall
    • Removing the ability to see who liked a post or what pasts an account liked (The bots loved that one)

    I don't think that he's made a single positive change to the site.

    That is why people are leaving. His overt shilling for Trump was likely the final straw for many users.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,608 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Definitely. It's clearly getting worse. It's hard to believe that we used to think this guy was some sort of genius instead of the pro-apartheid fascist he clearly is.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,540 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yes. The main reason why people tie it to Musk is because misinformation started spreading so much more after he took over that Community Notices started being used far more and so more people ended up becoming aware of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,386 ✭✭✭corkie


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    You forgot training of AI, which comes into effect today despite the GROK setting that the GDPR had issues with before?

    This license authorizes us to make your Content available to the rest of the world and to let others do the same. You agree that this license includes the right for us to (i) analyze text and other information you provide and to otherwise provide, promote, and improve the Services, including, for example, for use with and training of our machine learning and artificial intelligence models, whether generative or another type; and (ii) to make Content submitted to or through the Services available to other companies, organizations or individuals, including, for example, for improving the Services and the syndication, broadcast, distribution, repost, promotion or publication of such Content on other media and services, subject to our terms and conditions for such Content use.

    ~ International TOS » https://x.com/en/tos#intlTerms

    https://mashable.com/article/twitter-x-terms-service

    I'm not to worried about it, as I don't share personal content on the platform and I'm not a content creator. Already download my archive of data. Reports big demand for that at present and make take over the estimated 24 hours that it took for me. I will probably protect my account after the 29th.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    The rise of far right, Trump and Brexit all happened before Musk so let's stop pretending that it's the fault of social media, otherwise we will be in it so deep social media and disinformation will be the last of our worries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Social media has been an important part of the rise of the far right though, and Musks version of Twitter has it front and centre.

    Parler/TruthSocial were fringe far right versions that never had a strong userbase because the general public have no interest in being drowned in right wing fear about trans people or anti-vax nonsense every day of their lives. Musk has taken a popular social media site and transformed it into essentially another version of those, so it’s no wonder people are leaving in their droves. Everything is so much worse there now. It doesn’t matter what the subject is, the replies are filled with bots, porn, spam and shills - there’s no room for discourse there anymore, because there’s no moderation to speak of.

    If you truly want genuine discussion then you should be in favour of moderation and terms of service that don’t allow discrimination, disinformation or hate speech. If you can’t get your point across without the above then you don’t have a point worth listening to. Twitter has abandoned moderation outside of the whims of its owner and as a result has become an unbearable cesspit and will only see more people leave for other platforms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Here’s a great article from 5 years ago by the same person who broke the Enron scandal.

    It’s interesting to read now knowing he was incredibly well regarded by the public back then, but he was always a total chancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,386 ✭✭✭corkie


    Also to apply you need to be a subscriber on X to DM the account your application.

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    Grok turns against Musk and labels him the culprit for spreading misinformation. Source Threads.

    "Moving Off X: An Open Letter from UK Journalists" ~~ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dFfEZ8xl8GZChTl17FAoOghAQs-PFEaAyGH1y_vGk6E/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.682mjq1oo65y

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Try watching The Great Hack and hear it from the people who were involved. You might learn something…but I’d have my reservations



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