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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,642 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    As others have said, you've likely just fallen between the cracks of a system that isn't designed to facilitate payments to people who aren't on the payroll. Trying to go through AP with an invoice is a complete and utter waste of time, I have to agree with almost everyone else here; supplier set-up in the private sector comes with a metric shıt-tonne of due dil and procedure. They'll ask the OP for a company registration number, a VAT reg number, a tax certificate and all manner of stuff they can't provide.

    I agree that a good-natured hounding of whoever your line manager was at the time is the best approach here. Don't ask for a One 4 All card, though, they're shıte. Ask for a Perx reward card instead, it's basically a pre-paid Mastercard you can use anywhere that takes credit cards. So everywhere, basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Ah yes, because all government departments are the same, so you go for the low hanging fruit.

    That's the most amusing thing here. Especially when you think a manager should pay the OP cash and then make up some false expenses, to claim it back.

    That certainly wouldn't get by me or my department.

    But I'm glad I gave you a laugh for once, considering the regularity with which you make others laugh. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Call them,no more emails.Get a name to deal with.No result then sit in their reception-if you can spare the time.Don't worry about reputational damage-you have been mislead by this company.No result-small claims court.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You need to start by making it personal. Who exactly invited you and do you have something in writing to base your claim on? If you have, then it is time to start making life uncomfortable for that person. Send an invoice addressed specifically to them at the company with supporting documentation and details of your bank account. Give them 30 days and tell the person you'll be calling them one of the days (don't say when) or if you're in town you might just drop in to check up on it. If that does not get any movement, send them a reminder with a seven day notice, indicating that you'll be taking them to court and this time send a copy to legal/company secretary and let them know you've sent a copy to legal. It's never a good idea to get your employer involved in a court case and in addition some junior in legal will be tasked to find out what is going one, so something should happen. If nothing happens then it's time for the small claims court and make sure you document everything. It's important if you go to court to be able to show the Judge that you have been reasonable and done everything possible to collect the debt before involving the court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,982 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I would be very careful about harassing anyone or threatening them with court actions

    The OP just finished an internship, presumably with the hopes they'll get a full time job out of it. Would you risk a well paying job for the sake of a few hundred

    While they didn't do anything wrong, they'll be gaining a rep as a source of drama, and hiring managers tend not to like drama

    Also if they do get a job with the same company, then it would be easier to work out some expense claim while inside than outside. They obviously can't claim for expenses outside their contract but it's likely their manager can authorise some extra rewards to compensate

    OP, while it's a bitter pill to swallow, I'd recommend you treat this like a lesson. It sounds like your managers overpromised before they had the details sorted. In future, it would be better to try and directly charge travel expenses to the company or be 100% sure you'll be reimbursed

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You are in a time of almost full employment you don't need to continue being a door mat and you don't need to work for someone who disrespect you at such a level as to not stick to their professional agreements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,982 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    True, and to be clear I'm not advocating letting it go

    My point is that the OP should consider the full implications of any action before they take it

    Say they harass the manager and eventually get a cheque for a few hundred to cover expenses. A few months later they're turned down for a role in that company and have to start from scratch. A role where one weeks earnings would cover the amount they were seeking in compensation. Seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face

    I can say from recent job seeking experience that despite full employment, landing a professional job is still quite challenging. Companies seem to have externalised any kind of training and now expect candidates to have complete knowledge of their systems from day 1. In this context, burning bridges may not be the most effective solution

    I'm very much in favour of employees standing up for themselves, but it's a lot more effective from a position of strength. Being an unemployed recent graduate doesn't seem like a position of strength

    Of course if the OP has no intentions or opportunity to go back to their previous employer then I say have at it

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,180 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    We might well have full employment but employers can still be picky and they won't hire people who have threaten a manager over a simple mistake. They would of signed off the OPs expenses if they had submitted them when they were working at the company. The OP left before they submitted their expenses so the manager is stumped and has never said how long after the event they left, it could be their fault for not submitting the expenses when still an employee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭cml387


    Having personally gone through it myself, setting up suppliers for companies in the pharma industry is a pain in the ass. You need proof of their quality management systems (e.g. ISO9001), financial standing etc. and then usually needs to be approved by a central approvals department, usually in another country, whose attitude is generally "computer says no".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    This is almost definitely the issue that's arising: Purchasing Dept in a different place, probably a different country. That means zero discretion for "ah sure it's a one-off" etc.

    Best solution, talk to whomever you had the original arrangement with, ask them who their local small suppliers are e.g. Supplier A. With agreement from your original manager and Supplier A: invoice Supplier A, get them to invoice Pharma company who pay Supplier A and subsequently pay you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭cml387


    Actually someone mentioned vouchers. Many companies are giving vouchers to employees as Christmas bonus. That would be hassle free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,010 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    Vouchers might not be any good to the op.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    As others have suggested, talk to someone you had dealings with and ask them what is the proper invocation to get this paid. A voucher with wide applicability might well save you the money you need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,617 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I don't think Small Claims would accept this claim. It's more likely to be a WRC issue, as it relates to employment.

    OP - was this a paid internship? It seems very unusual that they wouldn't pay expenses through payroll. Having said that, a family member civil servant recently had their optical benefit €60 claim paid as a 'supplier' and had to provide name/address/Revenue details to the finance team to be set up as a 'supplier' on the financial system, which seemed a bit bizarre.

    What were the expenses for? You'd generally expect that an employer would book hotels directly, and you might have to fund your own travel perhaps - is this the case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭✭shmeee


    Another issue on this is, since 1st Janurary all valid expenses for travel and subsistence that are reimbursed tax free to an employee have to be reported to Revenue via ERR. So that's more work the employer will need to carry out as a business. You will need to be added to their payroll software and any valid receipts / claims logged to your employee card. And ensure the expense you are getting reimbrused for is a valid expense and allowable tax free.

    Even if they give you the value in 'vouchers', that voucher may need to be reported via ERR also.

    It's a tricky one given the systems in place now.

    It's not as simple as, sending the money via Revolut. Every cent has to be accounted for given the op said it's a Pharma company.

    Spend a few weeks making calls and emails daily and see any hop!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Have we established if the OP had receipts for these expenses for the trip? Because that would be the first thing any business would need to process any expense claim legitimately. Usually for a trip like that to an awards thing, I would have expected the company to have block booked hotel rooms if the intention was to pay for hotel accommodation, dinner is included in the awards usually so I'm wondering what the expenses were. And while the communication did say "all expenses paid", did it have a footnote as to what was & wasn't covered in that. So most businesses I know will cover all reasonable expenses such as travel, accommodation, food & non-alcoholic drinks but it won't pay for your bar bill during the night, a takeaway you decide to get or an outfit for the event. Not saying the OP is looking for those things btw but good to understand what the expenses he's looking for reimbursement are for & if he has evidence for them.



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