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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,060 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Those are some stunning figures and my deep suspicion is that when ministers say that they will 'speed up the processing of asylum claims', they intend to achieve that simply by reducing checks and simply waving people through the system.
    The same was done in the UK, I remember and article interviewing someone processing asylum claims, he was simply told that the required scrutiny took too long and verifying claims wasn't necessary. The example he gave was of a man he interviewed claiming he was in danger of political persecution as a political activist in his country, when asked who was the leader of the ruling party there however, he couldn't answer, at least until he took a toilet break with his phone and them he managed to remember. That guys claim was simply waved through.
    That kind of rubber stamping would explain the story I posted yesterday about a Nigerian woman who put down her brother as the father of her child to expedite his request for a visa for this country. It would seem that verifying claims is seen as taking too long, and instead of assigning the necessary resources we are just rubber stamping asylum claims. The basis for claims is also ridiculously broad, there was a story in the papers reported this week of a guy who was granted an appeal against deportation after his release from prison, the grounds? Apparently he feared retribution from the families of his victims in his country of origin, I fail to see how that's our concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wow, cannot believe I agree with SF on something! Id go further and have it mandatory for everyone moving to this country to register their domicile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    The referendum was about an amendment to the constitution. could you point out what type of constitutional amendment would allow a vote on immigration ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Sick to my back teeth of hearing this narrative but the sad reality is the same people will get back into Government again and nothing will change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It appears the Italy Albania deal won't be happening now, as Italian courts have ruled it illegal. It seems like the Italian government just ignored advise telling them this.

    Governments can't just break the law, and most decent people will thank god that we don't live in countries that can.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/14/italy-albania-asylum-deal-complete-failure-giorgia-meloni



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    That is completely untrue. Ilegal immigration is a disaster for any country irrespective of housing being available. It's a massive drag on the economy and has huge ongoing costs to the Government in terms of increased crime and increases in Social Welfare spending. It also reduces social cohesion massively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    The Irish Judiciary are living on another planet to the rest of us. This guy should have been deported immediately upon arrival instead he is costing us millions. Doing "courses" at taxpayer expense after 18 years here is a complete joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    This topic could be closed really. There's no other side to the debate just two possibly one poster. The debate is over really now we need real action from the Government. No more sound bites, people need to be deported by the thousand. The true cost of the Asylum scandal needs to be laid out in front of the Irish people.

    This should include the cost of second and third generation immigrants in terms of cost to the Exchequer listed by nationality. This will show the massive ongoing costs of allowing illegal immigration and bogus Asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Well if the rest of Europe doesn't want them its a clear indication of the buck being passed as far as im concerned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    How Does illegal immigration affect social welfare?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    I can definitely get behind SF's proposal to move immigrants into affluent areas. We must spread this wonderful cultural enrichment around for all to marvel in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There is no chance of that happening. That is just SF's attemp to get back in the good books of their base support that they abandoned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,666 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I haven't seen a plan from anyone regarding how we support sustained, unplanned, unlimited migration into Ireland with practically zero deportations.

    I think it's because the fans are milking the magic money tree hard before it all crashes or they are absolutely deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The only plan I want to see is one that says STOP, the system is broke and the current numbers are unsustainable. Because that is the truth and anything else is just politicans pandering to vested interested and afraid of being labelled an 'ist by the rabid left and ngo classes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It's the real puzzling part for me, it's all these well off politicians who are telling us how great it is.

    Why are we not seeing hoards of asylum seekers being housed in their areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Got an election leaflet from Aontu in the door recently. Impressed with their tough stance on both crime and immigration. Don't agree with their anti-abortion policy but would be prepared to give them a vote as an indicator/protest vote re crime and immigration. They're the only party talking sense on immigration that doesn't seem to be composed of drooling racist thugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Yes, some people I know have said the same, if it wasn't for their stance on abortion they'd be giving them a 1st preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,666 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I think I'll get a manager or a director job on an NGO or charity and get loans to buy properties. It's the future.

    I have the qualifications... I once donated a jumper the cat was sleeping on to a charity shop and I can listen with sympathy.

    It's a tough job. One hour a day being outraged, between coffee breaks and meetings. I get paid a lot of money so either I'm really good at my job or the people who pay me think they are really good at their job too! Win win.

    Then plenty of time to check out up and coming areas and property developments that I am privy too and I can invest in.

    Oh, ****, need to get a new EV, tax deductible, for the environment and get it sorted before my shopping trip to New York in December.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Would they give them a second or third preference? That's the beauty of our PR system, you can vote for a party you don't necessarily agree with on everything but you can indicate support for them with a clear conscience knowing they won't be taking power overnight and suddenly start implementing the policies you don't agree with. If they get enough votes to be one of the kingmakers things could get really interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    Illegal Immigrants and their offspring are vastly over-represented in the unemployment statistics. Ireland's income tax system means that all the deliveroo drivers and other lowly paid jobs contribute little to nothing to the exchequer. Adding in all the housing benefit and other income top-ups means that even the ones who eventually decide to work, will be a net drain to the taxpayer.

    They will also have to be accomodated and fed during years of Asylum decisions plus legal fees when they challenge any negative decision. When they exhaust that process, you're looking at another huge bill to deport them if that's even possible. It's just an endless waste of money and social welfare is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Hopefully, Trump will repatriate lots of corporation tax to the US so we can stop wasting it here on fake scam artists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,666 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I know it sounds petty and bitter, but I'm not contributing anything to certain charities in this country after having contributed lots in the past.

    I'm contributing enough via taxation, national debt and paying towards someone else's gravy train. I'm done. I'm out of Catholic guilt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,486 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    You haven't explained how illegal immigrants are accessing social welfare?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Well they'll hardly get that changed any time soon but if they went after illegal migration. Theyd be on to a winner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    They only want them cleaning their houses and minding their kids. Living besides them, how awful loike..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I won't vote for them based on their stance on abortion.

    Women are having enough rights taken back from them which is for another thread, so I could not vote for them unless that changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    We need to get a handle on this whole thing quickly as we will be dealing with real genuine refugees from Gaza and the West Bank in the next four years, Palestinians are heading for Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    They literally have - the fact you don't want to accept the fact as it conflicts with the dogmatic view that all unlimited immigration is good, does not change that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Tbh if Aontu just never mentioned abortion at all and said " we have no position, it is a personal matter" - they'd increase their first preference votes massively.



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