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"Earring means you're gay" school court case

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭KingCong


    Whatever you think about the pierced ear, the principal sounds like a bit of a nutcase with no control over his emotions, can't stand anything he (it's definitely a he isn't it) deems a challenge to his authority. To lose it like that in front of a parent is really bad on his part, most of them know to do that when its only the students around. I know the type well, very like the principal and vice when I was in school 20 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Well, that's a load of bollox.

    There's definitely a discussion about school uniforms and if they're needed and what is/isn't appropriate wear in school that's separate to the case. Irish schools are weird in that regard.

    But to the case. The rules stated no singular earring. Or at least the rules were interpreted as a max of one earring in each ear. Principle interpreted it there must be either none or one in each ear. Parent interpreted it as there can't be anymore than one in an ear.

    I guess rules are rules. But it sounds like a stupid rule, that's not clearly written. And it definitely got blown out of proportion.

    The witness said that from September 6 onward, her son was subject to sanctions, including being placed sitting outside the principal’s office, being denied leave to go down to the town on his lunch break, and being assigned to evening detention which would have meant missing his bus home.

    She told the tribunal this went on for six to seven weeks until early in October, when the assistant principal had stated there would be “no further sanctions” until the case was heard at the WRC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,851 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    In my day it wasn't the earring that decided, it was which ear it was in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Surely the Dept of Education should be stepping in here and giving the principal what for, and putting an end to this waste of everyone’s time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Wonder what the dept will say when they get his bill for a new laptop - guy sounds like he has serious anger issues

    Her account of the exchange that followed was that she repeatedly challenged the principal on how he had spoken to her son and that the principal had responded: “I will speak to him whatever way I like”. The meeting “got out of hand” as this exchange continued, the witness said, stating that the principal “walloped the top of his laptop with his fist” at one point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Simple answer all ear piercings banned for everyone. I can see some of the principal's side as anyone that tries to stand out as different, incorrect uniform, hairstyle that is not the school code can be seen as a challenge to authority.

    I immediately remembered a rocker type student in 5th/6th being told by the principal "Get rid of those sideburns son, it is not the 60's" The young fella went red.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,743 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Ear piercings are culturally significant in a few cultures/religions, so rather hard to ban.

    Principal absolutely needs to be put in to early retirement, they clearly have far too many problems of their own to be allowed have an impact on kids/young adults anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,385 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    I had my ear pierced since I was 11. But didn't wear it to school or work. It wasn't allowed in both places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,024 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,201 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    When ah wur a lad, the rules - IIRC - were one ear, one piercing == fine, two ears, one piercing each == gay, one or more ears, multiple piercings == Curehead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,743 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The "rules" were school/college/area specific. The "gay ear" changes county by county. Basically because there is no such rule.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    IT was either cut off my ear or cut off my mickey. I chose ear so I can **** your ma and sister and daughter and daughters friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Every school is an independent fiefdom. Within certain parameters they can do what they want. DOE loath to step in a lot of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭Maxface


    Right ear meant you were gay back in the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭balanced24


    can’t believe 30 years later this is still going on. It was and still is ridiculous. Once it’s not a safety risk students should be allowed to express themselves in how they present. This stifling expression is probably why the current generation are rebelling more. They just don’t accept it anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,385 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You'd swear he came in with a Prince Albert and started waving it at the principal.

    It was a small stud piercing.

    Baffling that someone tasked with looking after children and educating them would die on this hill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I was a school a long time ago I never saw a single male with an earring ,gen z has new fashion trends . I see many men on reality tv that have earrings I don't know if it's just a fashion trend like fade haircuts . Are teen girls allowed earrings at school



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    There's a good movie to be made with that as the opening scene. Could be marketed as an Irish take on the American Pie films.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    I remember seeing a guy with a bloody ear leaving the vice principals office back in the day ( early nineties), he was forced to remove an earring.

    Stupid then, stupid now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Oh my God! An earring! A teenager attempting to express himself through his appearance! Whatever will teachers have to deal with next? Not normal development of individual identity formation in young adults, surely?! This must be stamped out now, or we're all doomed!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,900 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,900 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    I didn't go to school this century, and I still saw male pupils with pierced ears. It's not exactly a new trend.

    As for girls with piercings, in my secondary school days, there was a short lived trend for them to have a chain linking an ear piercing to a nose piercing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,519 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Teens rebel against whatever rules are in place, it's what they're wired to do.

    It's better to have smaller stupid rules for them to rebel against, than larger safety related ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,385 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No one seems to know the rules on piercings in this particularly school.

    But maybe the lad who is 16, wasn't rebelling at all he just wanted to wear a stud on his ear because you know a footballer or artist he follows does the same or he thought it looked cool.

    I very much doubt he was standing up against the tyranny of banned ear lobe jewellery. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    head is clearly in need of a break.
    a simple request to keep earrings small and safe is all that’s needed. Standard in many schools and really teachers should not intervene unless there’s a safety issue.
    some kids are looking for a cause and some teachers are trying to punish a kid for some other reason and will latch onto anything they can.

    Son had an issue over socks. Rule was black socks so a cohort of kids went shopping to buy socks that were mainly black but with some colours as the rules didn’t say all black. 45 kids in detention one monday and letters home. I just removed the offending socks from his room, and told him not to bait the teachers. Other parents went to town on it, many meetings later the uniform code was revised to state socks had to be all black. Relationships were ruined and the kids seemed to enjoy the drama. This was before WhatsApp so I can imagine how it would grow legs now.
    the new head was the instigator of the enforcement of the rule. He was determined to make his mark… IMO made a poor choice but once they started down the road it seemed there was no going back.

    but to end up in court… like seriously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    FFS! SOCKS?! What type of wisdom or life skill is forcing people to wear socks of uniform colour supposed to impart?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Windowsnut




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Some schools are still strict. There was a thread here only recently about a schoolgirl who shaved her head for charity and was sent home from school.



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