Israel are going to start WWIII

As you bring up the matter, support like yours for Israel in its genocide (yes, sometimes nuanced) is almost invariably accompanied by ultra rightwing views; in fact today any support for Israel necessitates far-right views. In the past people might have claimed ignorance of how Israel did its business, and there was a leftwing version of Zionism, the human face of zionism. In recent decades, that leftwing zionism has dissappeared as a contender in the political sphere, and zionism in general has turned into a far-right, often ultra-far-right zionism. Andthe way Israel does its business is now known to everyone in the west, the viciousness can no longer be hidden.

Even a somewhat nuanced support for Israel is nowadays invariably accompanied by similar far-right views on almost every other topic. If you cannot see this, what can I say?

As for the use of the word Wolf - in the political sense, it is seen as strong, and a fighter, leading to its far-right connotations, it is generally an animal that is feared, not loved. The Grey wolves in Turkey are among the best-known examples of this, although not as well known as in the past. But the snarling wolf is a political symbol that many will recognise, and choosing to use it in your name will usually make people assume that this is your intention.

Maybe it's on me. Israel have killed between 40k-100k civilians as a response to October 7th. You directly said "nothing is too much to avoid that happening again", I assumed you were referring to the genocide that is being carried out. Apologies.

Maybe you meant you would support Israel exploring the implementation of the two state solution, treating Palestinians with respect and dignity, conceding stolen land, removing illegal settlements, and dismantling the apartheid regime. Would that be "too much"?

Hard hitting speech from a Dutch MP in the parliament. Unfortunately people like that seem to be in the minority in some European governments at the moment somehow.

hey now for montMonths the regulars have been whining about genocide Joe and wicked Kamala encouraging genocide. They now get the change they wanted with Trump so they can't complain abou how he saves the region. This is what they wanted.

Israelis are out protesting in the streets against Netanyahu, but sure, go ahead and blame all of Israeli society. Sure lots of Irish people are apparently blaming not only Robbie Keane but even his wife and children for their part in the "genocide" so why not. Claudine Keane has been getting death threats FFS.

Meanwhile Trump is, as predicted but possibly even more than predicted, playing to the extreme right in Israel as well as in the US, and TBF that's also the fault of the dumbos who were screaming "genocide" at Biden and Harris. I wonder what the new word for what Trump and his acolytes are about to enable Netanyahu to do will be. Mega-hyper-genocide?

I mean, it's not as though any of that could have been predicted beforehand is it? Like, say Trump had been the one to move the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem or something, that would have been a sign of his approach to the region, but he kept his cards so close to his chest on that. Or imagine if he'd previously tried to ban all arrivals from Muslim countries…

But as it is, the poor old Muslim voters in Dearborn couldn't possibly have known that he was having a laugh at them when he said he'd do better than Kamala in "getting Israel under control". There were just no clues. 🙄

The only difference between Joe and Donald is there will be no pretense with Donald. Joe enabled Israel to commit its war crimes. I don't see how Donald being elected gives Joe a pass for what he presided over. Anyway don't now pretend to care about the plight of the Palestinians because Donald has been elected. What you really mean is you are in an invidious position because on the one hand you have a guy who is even more pro Israeli, but it's awkward for you at the same time because you dislike him and much of his politics.

I firmly believe that Joe Biden's policy of letting Netanyahu do whatever he wanted to the Palestinians while continuing to feed him arms and protecting him in the UN will be a stain on his legacy.

The difference between Biden and Trump when it comes to Palestine reminds me of what southern blacks used say was the difference between white people in the south and white people in the north. Something along the lines of "At least in the south they are open about their racism".

One major problem with Israel being supposedly being a democracy is that the Knesset is full of right wing and far right / extreme right MPs. So whilst on paper it has free elections, it is probably the most right wing and authoritarian country anywhere in the 'western' world: people are mostly voting for different shades of right wing nationalist MPs.

I think it is a democracy for Israeli citizens (I am excluding what they may get up to in their occuppied territories, effectively run by their military).

Unfortunately over last few decades the public has settled on a fairly harsh and nasty consensus as regards relations with Palestinians, and that has worsened after Oct. 7th.

Ireland has always been a democracy despite having 2 parties sharing power since foundation of the state that have been, I think very similar in their policies for at least the last 3 decades or so! I think there's a few other democracies like this, where there's a lot of public consensus on policy.

"Israel is using evacuation orders to pursue the “deliberate and massive forced displacement” of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, according to a report by Human Rights Watch, which says the policy amounts to crimes against humanity.

The US-based group added it had collected evidence that suggested “the war crime of forcible transfer [of the civilian population]”, describing it as “a grave breach of the Geneva conventions and a crime under the Rome statute of the international criminal court”.

The report was published amid mounting evidence that Israel is accelerating its efforts to cut the Gaza Strip in two with a buffer zone and is building new infrastructure to support a prolonged military presence, with an increased pace of demolitions and destruction."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/14/israel-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity-over-forced-displacement-in-gaza

Yet, for some bizarre and unknown reason, this shower are allowed carry on in international sport like they were a normal state

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98d9nrg1rgo

What a take to make of it all.

Let's say you are in a big group with your buddies some day, wives and kids all there. And I'm driving along in my big van and spot there is a lad in the group who wronged me, let's call him John.

Am I ok to plough into all of you in fifth gear, try to wipe out your friends/ wives/ kids because I want to get John?

If you somehow survived, would you wake up from your coma and say, that was John's fault, the guy in the car was right to kill my friends and my kids, John used us as a human shield.

Or would you say whatever the John did, the lad driving the car is a f*coin murdering psychopath.

You are asking people to believe the former is correct.

The sooner your friend Nethanyu is removed from the equation there might be peace also.

The top brass in the IDF now think a complete military victory over Hamas is not achievable. US Intelligence seem to be of the same opinion. They say Hamas have now morphed into an insurgent force with plenty of new recruits. Their assessment is that without a political solution Hamas can rely on plenty of new recruits into the future.

The recently fired Israeli defense minister confirmed that Nethanyu is very much an obstacle to peace. As have Israeli negotiators who have complained about Nethanyu sabotaging peace talks. Why are the families of hostages protesting against Nethanyu for not doing enough to secure the release of hostages ?

You may also want to excuse Israeli war crimes as all Hamas's fault, but that won't wash Francie Barrett, your precious Israel has a duty to abide by international law, it has repeatedly failed to do so - therefore any right thinking people now view it as a pariah state .