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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Ukraine using limited western supplied batteries has denied Russia air superiority and reasonably limited the impact of missiles and drone strikes.

    But missiles and drones still hit Ukraine regularly.

    Would you say they're worthless and the Patriot should be called the Paper defense system?

    Or is this logic exclusive to Israel?

    As for Iran's ultra-secret, world-class air defense network that scares away the most advanced planes on the planet.

    Similar logic being applied here as well.

    We apparently have Israeli pilots shaking in their F35 cockpits in terror at Iran's air defense network, firing missiles early out of pure fear.

    Now…..it couldn't possibly be that it's not 1945 anymore, and that Israeli has a cutting-edge air force and weapons delivery ability, could it? It doesn't need to fly directly into Iranian air space in the main, maybe? Maybe think it over.

    Iran has very limited batteries, small fraction of the number of S300 or similar systems deployed in Ukraine for example.

    Even if you chose to believe that Israel and US intelligence, as well as satellitte imagery, are all lying about Iran's few batteries being destroyed in October.

    Huge geographical area to defend. Very limited budget. Air force that dates back to the 1970s in the main.

    Iran's air defence is rated as weak by any experts, and there is a reason why.

    There's also a reason they invested in ballistic missiles, because Iran itself knows its air defence and air force is garbage, and they don't have the ability to come remotely close to matching Israel in these areas so they don't bother and develop missiles and a deterrent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    How can it be a conspiracy theory when you can see online the older video and the newer video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,959 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Agreed, when defenders of israel try to claim it is an outpost of western civilisation or the only democracy in the middle east I really don't think the claimed association is to the benefit of western civilisation or democracy in 2024.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭deirdremf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I am right in thinking the israeli military launched an invasion of Lebanon on 1st October with the aim of crushing Hezbollah, and here we are 6 weeks later with the israelis stopped cold on the border by the same Hezbollah they assured us all were decapitated and defeated by some pagers?

    How poor must the israeli military be that its poorly trained, poorly motivated conscripts with massive US backing cant drive all the way through to Beirut when facing a militia denied any leadership. How would they fare against a state level military?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The audacity is the guy posting videos of the “Amsterdam Pogrom” that were attacks on non Jews in the UK. Now saying using bombs on civilians is not nice. Thsts audacity!

    https://x.com/henmazzig/status/1855999692892467297?s=46&t=dNJUzmb-fvd_U1LzLkQGJw

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Will Marko accept what the Saudi “authorities” say?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Completely false equivalence as you know. The US absolutely demolished the considerably powerful Iraqi army in 1991, a much weaker version of it again in 2003, but also struggled with insurgency against non-state forces, not to mention Afghanistan.

    Would you also rate the US military as poor?

    Israel hasn't launched a full scale ground invasion of Lebanon. It's also suffered less casulties since the start than Russia has every single day for almost three full years. Hardly the hallmarks of a failed full-out offensive to "drive to Beruit".

    Russia lost dozens of IFVs and upper hundreds if not 1,000+ in one single day yesterday trying to attack positions in Kursk. That is what a failed offensive with that exact intent looks like.

    Israel may not be dealing with Hezbollah as effectively as it would like "on the ground", and a great many people have always claimed that Israel is pursuing the wrong strategy and cannot win this way which is fair enough. The US couldn't win this way in Vietnam, or Afghanistan. It is a valid point.

    But to write off the IDF as useless, poor, based on that is pretty silly. There's a reason Israel won multiple wars based on superior leadership, training and sometimes, but not always, technology and why most Arab states accepted that they were never going to militarily defeat Israel and gave up.

    The only state level military that presents a threat to Israel is Iran. The only state level military that presents a threat to Iran realistically is Israel. But there will never be a ground war between the two countries so it comes down to long-range.

    Israel has an incomparably better airforce, long-range weapon ability to strike conventional military targets, and vastly superior air defenses. Iran has a negligble air force and poor air defense network even if we accept the sketchy claims that US intelligence, satellite images and Israel are lying about destroying their last few batteries recently.

    Iran has invested heavily in missiles because it literally knows it cannot remotely compete with Israel in the air, so it needs ballistic missiles and local militias as a deterrent. It's the same reason North Korea has invested heavily in rockets as well, they cannot compete with South Korea on conventional military capability.

    Scrapping all that and claiming that Israel has a weak, ineffective army and Iran has some secret world-class air defence capability that experts aren't aware of but people on Boards.ie are, is just strange and it's not the real world.

    I mean I don't support Russia, but I'm also not stupid enough to try and pretend that the Russian army in the overall scheme of things doesn't hold a huge advantage over the Ukrainian army.

    Acknowledging facts isn't some vocal show of support but some people seem to think it is. It's perfectly OK to think that Israel is a rogue terrorist state while also accepting that it's incomparably more powerful than all its regional neighbours as well as Iran.

    Just like it's OK to think that Russia is a criminal state that just so happens to have a much more powerful army than the independent state it's trying to invade and conquer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Military analysis from the conspiracy theory peddler cheering for Putin’s neo nazis stuck 20 miles inside poorest country in Europe three years into their three days war of colonial conquest.

    If anyone wants reporting from the ground here are real journalists just yesterday on situation on ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Israel shares the West's values alright. Just none of the good ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I'd agree with this - Israel is one of "ours" alright, but one that is showing the absolute the worst of us. That's why so many people here are disgusted by it all , as much as certain posters on here would like to claim a more sinister reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭FaganJr


    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    ASAIK the only prior deployment similar was for the rugby world cup and wont be repeated at the LA games as all law enforcement would be have to be armed

    There you go trying t put words in peoples mouth again , you got to look at why you feel the need to control what other people say. comes across as very "Russian" 😁. i said noting of the sort



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,338 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: @mikethecop Weepsie has no right of response due to a ban so drop the discussion with them please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    sorry to expose your unsupported and inaccurate posts again but

    " What does the Holy Quran say about revenge?SURAH AL-MĀʾIDAH 5:45 AND SURROUNDING VERSES

    And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. "

    dont hurt yourself getting off that high horse now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    A small minority ? have you send the protests and riots ? london every weekend and during the week, France on very regular baisis , the large scale unrest in collages in the states and even in dublin on a smaller scale .

    and im not nor have i justified anything . but pretending that islam isnt a problem for Europe is just childlike leftism for the sake of appearance at the expense of Europeans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    i salute you for you gallant effort 🙋‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    israel is a very large contributor to whatever problems of mass migration follow in Europe. By engaging in genocide, attacking and destabilising its neighbours and making life unbearable for Muslims in the middle east, they create the refugee flows to Europe. Not only do they create the push factor, but groups like IsrAID are waiting for the migrants on the beaches to create a pull factor too.

    Being concerned about the problems created by mass migration, and then supporting israel in efforts to drive mass migration into Europe is contradictory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Augme


    A few football racist hooligans getting a few slaps generates outrage. Meanwhile, starving women and children does get any comment. Where's the statement form the Dutch King and PM on this, or from Ursula Von Genoicde herself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Isn't that the poor victim who was filmed wanted to cross the road on his way back from Synagogue but the police prevented him from doing so?

    Until later footage emerged of the same tool continually trying to walk against people marching for Palestinians for hours. And trying to provoke different police over and over again until he got a 5 second clip he could misrepresent. And it emerged there was no synagogue services on at that time in that area. And then one of his innocent buddies walking with him was identified as being Israeli special forces who had acted as a bodyguard for visiting high profile Israeli politicians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    This is a point I've made previously a number of time. Unfortunately, many of the Islamophobes don't have enough sense to realise that while the zionists killing tens of thousands of muslims means there are less of them in the world in the short term, it drives magnitudes more towards Europe. And gives them legitimate reason to claim asylum.

    The likes of Wilders will play upon such stupidity for his own short term political gain. Because it has a double benefit. First it will get him populist support, and when the actions have their expected logical outcome of even more foreigners coming in, it gives him even more to leverage off in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    israel is responsible for Georgians Albanians south americans ,north and sub Saharan Africans and Asians ? well i ll be !!!! those crafty hebrews lol , wait is this one of those new world order kinda theory's ?

    im supporting no one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "The US absolutely demolished the considerably powerful Iraqi army in 1991"

    I'm sorry, what?

    1: That was a coalition of many countries.

    2: The Iraqi army were not powerful, they surrendered en masse as coalition troops approached them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I would largely agree with your analysis, we shouldn't let dislike of any regime cloud our objectivity. With this in mind, as you outline, Israel is clearly the dominant force in the region which is why Iran is not keen to engage in a direct war with Israel. What the war in Ukraine has shown is that Russian weaponry is no match for the best western weaponry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Re #2 Iraqi army certainly was marketed as “powerful” and got steamed rolled over, twice

    They certainly had more manpower than whole coalition combined

    From 1991



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    What? No, it's not Israel who makes the life hard for muslims in all those middle eastern oil rich muslim countries, those countries are so rich that they could enjoy a quality of life as good as Norway. It's the people, it's always the people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I suppose the US position on UN matters is not down directly to the Ambassador but the new appointment is not encouraging for these people suffering. God help them if she does have a say going by past speeches.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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