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Horrible Old Flowerbed Suggestions Please

  • 11-11-2024 10:15AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭


    This dead/weedy patch outside my front door is annoying me every time I leave the house, theres a row of bricks between it and the actual lawn so it used to be an old flower bed or something but now all it will grow is thistles and creeping buttercup.

    I was thinking Id like to clean off the brick border and plant a load of low growing low maintenance cover plants in it just so I dont have to look at it anymore but I dont know what to do, does anyone have any suggestions? Its in a fairly shaded North facing spot although the bit beside the tree in the 3rd pic will get good sun. Ferns? Heather? Lilac?

    This is driving me crazy so any suggestions welcome, it looks even worse in real life than the pics. Also the ground is very stony with rubbish and old shreds of weed liner in the soil, I just want to cover it under something leafy and nice to look at, thanks.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Dig it over and get rid of all old plant material. Add bagged topsoil and compost - put in a good bit as the soil looks exhausted. Plant with ferns, Brunnera, Heuchera, a japanese acer would be ok towards the corner - they like shelter and shade - acquilegia will self seed and is pretty, but can be invasive due to seedlings, it gives a nice bit of height though. Berginia - get a named variety, the cheap ones can be a bit insipid. Cover round them with a good layer of bark mulch or wood chip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Thanks for the tips.

    Another plan I had was to dump a couple of bags of topsoil on it in the Spring and then bury it in red and white and any other kind of clover seeds I could get my hands on, do you think that would suppress the weeds going forward and give me a nice carpet of flowering clover there most of the year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I am a fan of clover, but it depends on how shady the area is. If it gets a few hours sun in the day you should be ok, its fairly shade tolerant. If there is no sun you might not get the results you want.

    I have an area sown with clover and have not found that it particularly keeps other weeds down, we have had to dig out some dandelions and buttercup. Its an area we keep mowed (wide spaces between paving flags) and it responds well to mowing, though it may affect the flowering of some of the taller red clover.

    Don't put top soil on without digging out the existing weeds, the buttercup will still come back to some extent, but it will completely ignore a layer of soil and come through with great enthusiasm!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I really dont see myself digging it out tbh Ill only make it worse and be left with a building site out there.

    Is there no low growing flowery plants I could just order 20 or 30 of them and plant the whole thing with like you'd see outside hospitals and schools and in industrial estates, those kind of displays if you know what I mean? The ones that keep bare dirt and no weeds underneath in the shade?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,782 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Well you're going to have to dig out what's in it first, so that's half the work done - if it's ancient, compacted, dried out soil then you'll need to refresh it - or better, replace it altogether.

    Sounds like there might be disintegrating lining, weeds, stones and all sorts there - you could spend a fortune on plants and they'll all be struggling or dead in a year or two.

    It's not a huge area, go at it bit by bit with a view to having it ready to plant by next spring - and do lots of research into what you like the look of, and what will do well there



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You will have to dig it over or you are just wasting money. If you can buy or borrow a mattock - or better yet, spend the money you were going to waste on plants that will die, on one of these

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    loosen up the soil with it then dig it over and remove rubbish and weeds, add your topsoil, and plant stuff that will then survive!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Plant food pellets spread around wont do the job until their roots go down deep?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭looksee




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    I cant refresh the soil or keep plants going until they establish using plant food pellets or some other food solution?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭wildwillow


    I wonder would you be better getting rid of the worst weeds and then just some topsoil and grass seed and just add it to your lawn. Frequent cutting will keep the weeds at bay. Maybe keep a tiny patch around the shrub, even the alchemilla mollis that is there already. Unless you are willing to spend some time tending to it on a regular basis, it is a hopeless prospect. There is no such thing as a no maintenance garden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Plant food isn't magic, you also need organic material and oxygen to keep the soil 'alive'. What you have there is a solid pan of dead soil which is why it will grow creeping buttercup, they will grow anywhere, and as long as they rule the roost nothing else will have a chance. wildwillow's suggestion of bringing it back to grass, or just cutting it is about all you can do if you are not prepared to work on it a bit. Lots of my grass area (I don't call it lawn) is buttercup, it just gets mowed and looks green - but there is almost an acre so you don't notice the details. In a front garden you need to give it a bit of attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Dig out the weeds and sort out the soil. In the spring/summer get some Rozanne, will grow in most conditions, flower from June to December and will come back every year.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Ah yeah but there are plenty of effectively zero maintenance shrub displays though, look around any industrial estate or shopping centre, Im not looking for anything fancy just something like that, it'll be better than the monstrosity thats there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,940 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You are still going to have to dig it first, and weeds will squeeze up between the membrane and the shrub stems, which are a pain to get out, and round the edges and anywhere there is the smallest gap. TBH, the more work you do to start with, the more likely it is to be reduced maintenance afterwords. There is no such thing as zero maintenance. Anyway I have said my bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    In short, no - if you feed the plants like that, the roots will have no need to "go down deep".

    The planted areas in industrial estates & shopping centres are generally maintained by a utilities company, they're usually not just left to their own devices.

    Is that a rose bush to the right of the front door? How well does it grow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Not great, like 3-4 flowers a year (but they are big beautiful white ones) and looks like that the rest of the time, it gets very little sun there, I plan on feeding it this Spring though, it never got anything from me. There used to be huge horrible bush there about 18 months ago and after that was ripped out the rose bush popped up from nowhere.

    Any advice for getting it to bush up/look less miserable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    You'll probably get better advice from others on here but I'd say prune it back and then feed it in late spring or so.

    If that was doing reasonably well, you could try planting a few more of them, lots of roses are fairly bullet proof so it might help give the place a bit of colour. You'd probably get them reasonably cheap as bare root plants over the next few months

    Edit: if it's quite a shaded area, roses may not be suitable



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