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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Amazing for such a big issue, that there are almost no candidates that reflect it. Apart from the national front, sorry, party and the other lunatics that only get a tiny proportion of the vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Be careful what u wish for. Shinners are very dangerous(with the exception of the greens). United ireland is all they care for no matter the consequences.Id rather radom mesh mash of everyone than them boyos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Considering both houseing and immigration are intertwined. One directly proportional to the other. Yea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,266 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Aontu... I can see them as the best choice to vote for, they talk sense, not worried about being called Far right because they don't agree with the current situation regarding immigrants coming into the country.

    Mary Lou McDonald said that it's "common sense" to deport immigrants who commit serious crimes. Surprised she wasn't called Far right for that comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    This is the key - It's literally the only way to get some change

    I posted this before (maybe on the other thread) -

    ___________

    We simply can't have another 5 years of this - The country will be destroyed beyond all recognition - If FG gets re-elected, they will take it as an endorsement of their policies by the electorate and continue as is or even increase it claiming they have a mandate from the people to do so

    We all know that there's no credible opposition party but don't despair - In the next GE we can actually do something and it's not a fait au complet for FFG - We should cram the Dáil to the rafters with independants leading to a Dáil the likes of which has never been seen before in the history of the state - It will be unprecedented, it will be absolute chaos, it will be like herding cats down the M50 - Perfection

    Depending on exactly the numbers involved, the big 2 will scramble about trying to cobble together some sort of a coalition desperately trying to cling to power - I know the fear exists that maybe your independent of choice will be tempted by offers of positions etc, but the key to this is to have too many in there. The whole plan revolves on instability and also with the possibility of a new election being held, due to the inability to form a working Govt or, the fact that any coalition cobbled together could easily collapse within 2 years, thus keeping the independents on their toes, mindful that they haven't reached the pension time served yet and they better keep the promises they made pre election

    ______________

    They haven't taken anything from the polls over the last two years and it seems they only come out with immigration 'hard talk', in the run up to elections (unsurprisingly)

    The only negative to this is that you will be required to endure another GE campaign…but it would be a very different campaign because of the kicking that was delivered in the first one

    Can you imagine what will happen if they do get back in? - They will do whatever they like and if you have a problem with that, you'll be told - 'Well if you don't like it, you can vote us out…(in 5 years time)' - One thing is certain though - The Garda heavy squad will be very, very busy

    They must not be rewarded for their utter incompetence over the last 3 years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    You addressed absolutely nothing that I posted. The facts we have suggest at least 85% of IPAs present with no documents or ID. How can you means test someone with no ID?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,194 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Kerrane told The Journal today that she believed the man was referring to immigration in his post. In her reply to him she said:

    “There was never fear in [Ballaghaderreen] when I was growing up and we’d be going out in it every weekend – never anything that led to widespread fear.”

    Kerrane later added: “I also think we need to get tougher on crime – if you come to live in Ireland for whatever reason and you commit a crime, I think we should be looking at deportation more rather than free legal aid and prison, which some actually find quite comfortable.”

    I do not see why she is getting backlash for finally some honesty, she should not have deleted her post

    Our prisons are seen as luxurious compared to those in other countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    The Garda heavy squad will be very, very busy

    Who exactly are they?

    And how will the 'country be destroyed beyond all recognition '?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Again, repeating untrue statements.

    How do you think people get money into the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Given that the vile Yusuf Palani's family had 350,000 euro in cash - I imagine they find a way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,060 ✭✭✭conorhal


    When people say 'sure the opposition is as bad or worse than the shower we have in charge', (in regard to SF, SD and Labour they are correct) but they are missing a couple of alternatives.

    There are candidates for Independent Ireland and Aontu running in my constituency and I'll be giving them my preferences.

    Independent Ireland have three TD's, and Aontu have one, if they could even double their support from that very low base then they would have a couple of TD's more then the Green party currently have, and look at the 'tail wagging the dog' disproportionate influence that the Greens have in the Dail.

    I was a life long FF voter, but that has not been the case for the last couple of election cycles, people need to do a bit of reasearch on the candidates running in their area and vote for the change they want to see. They don't need to vote for crackpots like The National Party or the bloody 'Monk' to do so.

    I've no intention of giving SF a chance, I gave them a preference in the local elections but their performance in the Dail has been abysmal and it's clear that they are a party long since captured by the 'Trinner's student's union' set and have nothing to offer.

    Certiantly reading the Independent Ireland mission statement on their website left me nodding my head vigourously..

    "Independent Ireland is dedicated to tackling government mismanagement of taxpayer funds and reallocating funding to the areas the Irish taxpayers need it most. Tackling overspend and waste means improving the lives of the people of Ireland. While we recognise the many NGO’s in Ireland that provide vital services and support, we will work to radically reform this sector."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭scrotist


    Why is it interesting? Do you think it should be lower? I guess you've been getting all your "news" from main stream media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,415 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    That's a reflection on people who are either happy enough with the way things are or don't see any realistic alternative. So FFG is what the people choose whether they vote or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Were they applying for asylum and being means tested?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    No.

    The Palani family are programme refugees from maybe 15-20 years ago.

    It's not clear whether they had the money on arrival in Ireland from Iraq, or if they accumulated it since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,293 ✭✭✭enricoh


    See in yesterday's paper 77k hospitality beds were gone for refugees. With others in refurbed buildings, normal houses, government barracks etc etc what is the total number anyone know?

    Wonder will many 20-30 year olds will stick around to be outbid by the government on housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Yeah I know, and If they were means tested on arrival, then we would know.

    Everytime an idea is presented, there are always people putting it down. never happy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Seems the government have succeeded in turning this issue on its side.


    Even SF say it’s barely brought up now at the doors compared to 3 months ago.


    Well and truly buried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Any community that has been affected by ipas centre's won't forget. Was talking to an independent candidate yesterday, he said the anger against the government is strong and people want change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,293 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Do you believe them? It's in sinn feins interest to say that as their voter base is completely alienated by it's stance on immigration. They were 36% a couple years ago now 18-19% I reckon a fair few % points went on immigration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Theres hundreds of IPAs in towns.and villages all over the country, most don't have any issue with it. It's a minority that do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭creeper1


    It seems some need a refresher on SF and immigration.

    Viola.

    https://youtu.be/d58x0lp9HI0?si=niwwGQ8KnT9TB8LI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I do know what it is. But how do you means test someone who comes with no documents? And even those with documents, if they’re asked questions they can just say no I am not able to support myself. What then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Aslum seekers with deportation orders should be removed from DP centers and given voluntry return with money or be forced .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Bogus Asylum seekers would still be a problem unless you consider it a benefit !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Hang on a minute, what 'untrue statement' am I repeating. Do I need to post the link again?

    Here you go.

    The government have not released the figures regarding those who arrive by other methods without documents or ID but id be willing to bet it's at least as high, if not higher, given that checks for ID on ferries are less stringent.

    So, how will the 85% of IPAs/refugees who arrive at Dublin airport with no ID or documents be means tested?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,493 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    YoYou Said that at least 85% of asylum seekers present without documents. Thats not true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    No, I said that's the best guess seeing as the only factual information we have is that 85% of those arriving at Dublin airport have no documents.

    So how will those 4,000 odd people be means tested?



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