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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    And Mossad at were sent to Amsterdam to manufacture fresh hysterical victim sympathy.

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭xhomelezz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,694 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    To be clear - and as I've said about the IDF also - any crimes anybody commits should be punished.

    That includes football hooliganism.

    But two things can be true at once:

    1. Maccabi fans chanting anti-Arab songs on match day is bad;
      and:
    2. Pogroms to hunt Jews in the streets, organised long before match day, are far worse.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    You are popping up all over the thread

    Not really, not as much engagement here as others shows. Popping up with same old arguments or guessing what others want to say and magically come up with answers like yours is.

    That's a big issue isn't it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A fourteen year old Dutch YouTube journalist with an honest on the scene report of what actually happened and now getting death threats from Israelis and being told Mossad will hunt him down. A 14 year old. So typical of them.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You can’t really still believe the debunked WhatsApp messages with different time stamps and text sizes surely?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Belarus are not banned. They are playing Northern Ireland in Belfast next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,353 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There was no pogrom. It was just regular football hooliganism that we've seen hundreds of times before, but because an Israeli team happened to be involved, Zionist supporting politicians and media labelled it as "anti-Semitic attacks" and "a pogrom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Il add the worst ever football hooligans in the history of football hooligans.

    Imagine going to a different city causing trouble, getting a kicking and having your prime minister say he is going to send in rescue flights to get you out of there 🤣🤣🤣🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Some people need to educate themselves about pogrom rather than throwing it around like confetti.

    'The word pogrom, derived from the Russian verb gromit – to plunder, destroy – passed into common usage in the English language in the early 20th century as news spread of atrocities carried out against Jews in Imperial Russia.

    The pogroms were violent acts by sections of the majority population against a racialised minority lacking in rights or state protection. The intention was to keep that minority 'in their place'.'

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1854956039075926459.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    video after video after video proves this is a lie to excuse dangerous and violent "migrants" and local criminals

    but in this thread black is white when it come to the truth isnt it ? and as long as its just a few dirty jews getting head stomped who cars ,

    people used to be ashamed to post the sort to racist crap that some of y take pride in now coz ye think its socially cool or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    You obviously have ignored all the videos of the Maccabi fans attacking a taxi driver, destroying private property, chanting about the death of all Arabs and celebrating children getting killed not to mention chanting during a minutes silence

    Might get away with that in Tel Aviv but you certainly won't in most European cities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    It seems that the word "pogrom" is becoming the new "antisemitism".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Why is is so hard to believe that two things are simultaneously true.

    1. Some fans behaved in a completely unacceptable way and caused some trouble.
    2. There was an organised witchhunt for Israeli supporters independent of the above.

    Like, literally no-one is denying the first thing happened. Not here, not in the media, not the Dutch Government or Police.

    What is actually being said is that simply both things are true.

    The problem is here, people are denying the second thing happened, and flat out claiming that all the world media are in bed with the Dutch Government to peddle a conspiracy.

    The same world media that all published a report just yesterday that showed that 70% of the verified dead in Gaza are women and children, hardly reflects well on Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hardly surprising that the same people who regularly misuse the word antisemitism for their own ends wouldn't be shy about misusing the word pogrom either for the same purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,619 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    A lot of people are afraid to say anything publicly against Israel/US, as they work for MNCs and because they could lose their jobs or at least have a red flag on their CVs. For better or worse we are tied to US policy.

    Also, this is probably a reason why people are trying to defend genocide on here. Deep down they know it's wrong.

    Also, people count the deaths but not all the mutilations and lives utterly destroyed.

    Again, a horrible genocide. The longer it goes on, the worse or becomes and the more wicked and bold the US/Israel administration becomes.

    Make no mistake, we are witnessing something as utterly horrific as anything the Natzies did. We have not learned anything as a civilization. Gaza, and now Lebanon, will just create 100 more years of brutal conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Like the videos being shared purporting to show attacks on Israeli hooligans which the woman who actually filmed it clarifies as showing Israeli hooligans attacking local residents. Wake up.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Some people will literally excuse anything, anything if it is done by people who, they, for whatever reason, support.
    It reminds me of a person I know who was convinced of OJ SImpson’s innocence from day one. No matter what the evidence, all his actions were defended and the more outrageous his behavior, the more the heels were dug in defending him.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,743 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Zionists spread fear and a lot of companies kow tow to that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,353 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Saying that the Israeli supporters were attacked 'because they were Jewish' is the big lie. The fact that they travelled from a far right terrorist state that is carrying out numerous atrocities against innocent civilians may well have been a factor in the incidents, but it still just comes under the broad category of football related violence, which we have seen hundreds of times before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Not allowed host games is one thing but they are allowed play

    Teams in Europe like Bestikas are been forced to move home games to neutral country's (losing all the revenue that goes with it) just so Israel teams can play in European competitions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Acosta


    A bunch of football hooligans go looking for trouble and find it. Not too unlike what happened in and around football many times before.

    But because these hooligans are Israeli, you have the king of Holland making the ridiculous comparison to the persecution of the Jewish people during WW2, the Dutch PM cancelling a trip to an important summit, and the US president even condemning it.

    This one incident is a microcosm of the last 13 or so months. Israeli football fans can attack people, sing anti Arab songs and burn flags, but sure it's someone else's fault. Israel can bomb over 43,000 people to death and block aid but sure terrorists killed over 300 Israeli people at a music festival, so I guess they might as well kill another several thousand while they're at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I know it more than likely wont happen but if Maccabi were to make the Europa League, will it have to be moved from Bilbao in Spain as no way they would be able to play there?

    Makes a mockery of the whole thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,353 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's all about getting Israel, Netanyahu and the IDF off the hook for the genocide in Gaza. Spin it so that Israelis are the "victims" in all this, far from an aggressor.

    Problem is 90% of people in Europe can see through this total BS from Israeli supporting politicians and the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I see Biden, Ursula Von der Leyen and the king of the Netherlands have condemned the killing of children in Gaza yesterday as they played football.

    Oh no sorry, they just condemned the people fighting back against a bunch of Israeli football hooligans in Amsterdam.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭batman75


    I don't think the change in leader in Washington will make any difference re America's unconditional support for Israel. Both parties in America are in debt to the Israel lobby so Netanyahu knows he has them by the nuts. Where I think America will draw the line is actively participating in offensive action on Israel's behalf unless their is an existential threat to Israel's very existence.

    By any reasonable metric Israel is failing on every count in its military campaigns.

    1. They haven't retrieved the hostages.
    2. They can't defeat Hezbollah or Hamas.
    3. They can't defeat Iran.
    4. They are a reviled and diplomatically isolated nation around the world.
    5. Their international tourism industry has collapsed.
    6. The Israeli economy has stalled and is haemorrhaghing
    7. People are leaving in the hundred of thousands.
    8. The very north of Israel is uninhabitable due to Hezbollah attacks.

    They have re awoken the spectre of the Nazi's in how they have treated the Palestinians. Hamas by virtue of its atrocity on October 7 2023 put the concept of a Palestinian state back on the agenda again after Israel had made great strides in normalising relations with some of its middle east neighbours. Firing Yoann Gallant doesn't really fix anything for Netanyahu. Yes it temporarily gets a thorn out of his side but he is still in trouble politically. He needs the various military campaigns to continue to stay in office. He is a monster with Ben Gvir and Smotrich his evil sidekicks.

    Jewish and Israeli people have made an enormous contribution to the world and to cast them all in the same light as Netanyahu and his henchmen is to do them an enormous disservice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,978 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The use of of the descriptor pogrom is sinister, it is almost as if zionists know they have milked anti-semitism bone dry and need a new nipple to suck from. Is this a pogrom?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Most of the countries that had diplomatic relations with Israel before 7 Oct 2023 still do.

    Many Palestinian civilians condone the 7 Oct 2023 massacres - that's obvious from news footage of the celebrations and the testimonies of former hostages Mia Schem and Moran Yanai. Most Israeli civilians do not condone attacks on innocent Palestinian civilians.

    Even if the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry's death toll is true, it's still only around 2% of the Gaza Strip's population as of 7 Oct 2023. There is no evidence that the IDF has perpetrated a Srebrenica-type massacre.



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