Missing 8yr Old Kyran Durnin - presumed dead *READ Mod Note Added to OP*

I appreciate that there are numerous safeguards in place already. My point is, many more could also be implemented but when you review the actual mechanics for putting them in place and the benefit of same, they make no sense to implement......

Or: the school informed Tusla about their concerns, and Tusla failed to act.

Indeed it’s quite possible that this was why there was something started in 2022 or whenever, then immediately closed again when a completely different child was presented to them.

As I said above, it’s hard to see why a case file would be opened for a child who’d been missing for a while - other than because he was missing. What other reason could there be? He certainly hadn’t been seen with injuries, for example. Since he hadn’t been seen at all.

I deal with Tusla regularly on a professional level. I also have a family member who was a victim of abuse in schools in recent years.

Without a doubt they are the worst run public body in Ireland. Furthermore, the level of knowledge of basic child protection is abysmal among many staff and their child protection procedures are outdated and far removed from best practice.

There is also a very negative work atmosphere/culture in the organisation. The staff behave as if the organisation exists for their benefit rather than being client focused.

Sent to Tulsa by who?

Exactly I would have thought there should be a 'handover' process when a child changes schools.

The school cant be blamed for whatever happened Kyran but it does show how lack of procedures/protocol can allow a child to just be forgot about.

I know it may be different in larger schools but in most schools ( including my childrens school) the teachers and other parents would support the family of a sick child. It seems the school and Kyrans classmates families forgot about him or I wonder did they try to make contact.

The parents of kids in my kids classes are in whats app groups where there is constant communication. I wonder was Kyrans mother in a parents group and was she ever contacted by other parents offering help while he was supposedly 'sick'. It would be very unusual for a child to move schools without some kind of goodbye. Possibly she wasnt involved with others at all.

Tusla know they messed up - they will remain silent on what truly happened.

No. It would appear, from press reports, that she's outside the jurisdiction.

If the mother won't cooperate, AnGS will have to gather sufficient evidence and prepare a file for the DPP that will be sufficient to apply for extradition. And if extradited, she must be charged, as per the extradition warrant. They can't interview her. So, as you will appreciate, it can be difficult and time consuming.

I'm sure other posters will be able to give a lot more detailed information on extradition, and if relevant, how an International Arrest Warrant works.

This case could turn out to be a slow burner.

The rules on extradition between the UK and Ireland continue broadly as they were before Brexit, but under new legislation:
If you have been arrested for extradition since 11pm on 31 December 2020, the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement continues to allow extradition to Ireland from the UK and vice versa. This agreement contains similar extradition rules and procedures to the European Arrest Warrant regime.

The article says that Ireland doesn’t extradite for investigation of a crime: charges have to be made first. I don’t know whether that applies for UK to Ireland extradition but assuming so, she would first have to be accused of something before they would send her.

That said, when a child has completely disappeared for two years, I don’t think a body is needed for criminal charges to be pressed.

It depends where he is though if alive. Even if he is alive there may be reasons why she wants to stay silent if it incriminates her - He could have been kidnapped and she wont disclose that for whatever reasons or he could have been sold or used by a paedaphile group. We dont know. The gardai must be sure he is dead.

So you are saying its not possible that this scum family could have sold him or are making money from him in some horrible way? But that they were capable of killing him and concealing it! I hope your right for Kyrans sake.

We are unsure if the Gardai are positive that he is dead. I would hope they are investigating that he could be alive.

As I understand it, AnGS has to produce a file that the DPP will accept, convince the UK courts to extradite and then produce and serve a book of evidence, conduct a trial with sufficient evidence that will get past a judge and to the jury for deliberation.

There's a lot in that at the best of times. So they have to get it right the first time as there may not be a second time.

Have to give AnGS the benefit of the doubt at the moment that the case is progressing. I would not expect anything other than bland press statements, appeals for information and the likes.

I'm not going to completely disagree with you here.

Government is short term. I'd love a Government to start something up and take short term pain and get long term gain.

They are individuals and need to put food on the table.

It's a compromised system, but how do we go about dealing with this?

Certainly isn't fighting.

Also, a general election is about Ireland. Shouldn't be parish pump politics.

What do we do about local politians with an agenda, theres some dosh, do what you want?

That not governance, that's what I need to get into Government. That's not helping the people that voted for you.

They all need to band together and do what's right for us. Ireland! End of.

All public services are poor? How about Revenue and NTMA? NAMA didn't too bad?

loads more. I agree with you, some are throwing money out the window in a convertible.

We don't all know. We know next to nothing.

If I was the dpp I certainly would not be pulling the trigger on child neglect. They actually know what they're doing. Especially on extradition.

The guards can talk all they like. They're there to gather every bunch of evidence, not prosecute.

Wait in the long grass, time your shot and then boom. You potentially have one chance at this. Take your time.

I don't have a Scooby but I find it strange that a mother has no idea where her son is.

If she didn't know she would never have left the country.