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What whisk(e)y are we drinking? (Part 2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Didn't spot that 😋

    The picture looks like the standard Bourbon Cask Irish Whiskey from WCD, presume it's that

    Never knew that about gin (admittedly I know next to nothing about gin), how is sloe gin a thing but not other-fruit-put-in-gin a thing? How come sloes get preferential treatment?

    I naively assumed damson gin would be damsons soaked in gin too infuse the flavour so it would still be gin, it's that not the case? (I mean, I assumed the flavouring process was probably short-cutted but in principle that)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I think sloe gin is more popular for historical reasons. I know my grandmother used to make it in the 50s, from fruit of her own lands.

    I’d presume the technical file is what means you can’t call it a gin. Similar to how some whiskey producers make spirit that can’t technically be called whiskey, due to how they make it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Yes, Sloe Gin has historical context and it is deemed that people know what it is.

    You can't add a load of sugar to gin and still call it gin. Also, gin had to be min 37.5% ABV and the predominant flavor must be juniper (although I don't know how this would be challenged or tested).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭SteM


    My wife still makes a batch of sloe gin for Christmas. I always thought it was a flavoured gin until she put me straight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭redshift-rider


    The Dundalgan whiskeys should be in stock already (since Oct 31st) according to the Lidl xmas catalog. Haven't been in lately so can't confirm.

    They're showing Charred Cask (blend 40%), Stout Cask Finish (single malt 42%), Cherry Cask Finish (single malt 42%) all at €24.99.

    The IPA cask edition is pictured in the miniatures, but they're not showing it in the 70cl bottle. So that version may be gone this year, or running late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,370 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Pretty sure I saw the Dundalgan specials on the shelves in LIDL.

    Is it still coming from West Cork Distillers, anyone know?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Going off topic here but it is, essentially, a flavoured gin but it is also heavily sweetened, with a resultant lower ABV. So, the end result isn't considered "gin", as such.

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Is it still gin if you don't add the sugar? I add sloes myself, but not sugar. Prefer to leave that to when it's finished, and use sugar syrup if it needs it when making a drink.

    Currently making some compound "gins", with a kit someone gave me. Minimum unit pricing means base vodka isn't cheap here, so had a friend get a couple of litres duty free for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,278 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    What is the dundalgan stuff like lads or the West Cork stuff?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Beanstalk


    Called into Dunnes there at the weekend to see if they had any of the Power Johns Lane left at €50. 'We don't do it anymore he says nobody buys that stuff have you tried Black Barrel'?

    Im gutted I bought this every year on bargain and its a great whiskey! Neither Dunnes stores in my town now does anything nice. They rarely even have Redbreast 12 in. Black Barrel is grand but way overpriced going by the ridiculous reductions it gets every year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Looking for recommendations. My brother likes a glass of whiskey. I know he really likes Yellow spot. Looking to buy him a bottle for Christmas but not yellow spot because he already has a few at home. Anyone got any suggestions? My budget would be up to about 100 euros.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Maybe a little obvious staying with Spots, but the cask strength Blue is €95...

    https://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/Blue-Spot-7-Year-Old-Cask-Strength

    Though I'll never tire of recommending the Cask Strength Dark Silkie...

    https://www.celticwhiskeyshop.com/silkie-dark-cask-strength



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The Silkie Dark looks nice. Have you had it yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Yep, on my third bottle 🤣

    Obviously it's personal taste, but it's my favourite Irish whiskey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bahanaman


    Centra

    Paddy's Share: €27.96

    Power's Irish Rye: €30

    Power's Three Swallow: €30

    Roe & Co.: € 27

    All prices valid until 13/11



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Power's Rye is great value at €30!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Picked up the Dundalgan gift pack for myself. All West Cork distillers as expected, good value if they're nice. Heading to Dublin for a gig later so I'll try one or two on the bus... 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    ...the stout cask isn't great. It's got a really odd flavour to it 😕



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,370 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Gelstons 12 year old single malt rum cask finish.

    Normally a fan of rum cask finishes, I like rum, I like whiskey... but this falls between two stools. Bit of a sour aftertaste.

    I liked the Gelstons Pinot Noir finish but this one not for me. Only a sample size luckily.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭janiejones


    I get that flavour off all the west cork and dundalgan I've tasted. It's really herby / grassy in an overpowering way. Haven't tried their age statement stuff, 5 and 7, cause I've been afraid it'll have the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Went to dig out a bottle of Dingle, and spotted a bottle of Red Breast Lustau on the shelf that I'd forgotten about. So I poured a small glass of that, and I'm enjoying it right now. Such a lovely whiskey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭2011abc


    Dunvilles do two PX whiskies I think .One is good and one is amazing !( 65-75 and 85-110 price points respectively )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭janiejones


    Has anyone tried dunvilles px 10 (75euro) dunvilles px 12 (100euro) and redbreast px (95euro)?

    I know it's all opinions but just looking for those

    1. Is the 2 extra years worth 25 euro?

    2. Apples and Oranges, single malt single pot still, redbreast px or dunvilles px?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Tried all 3.

    I would opt for the 2 Dunvilles options over the Redbreast PX personally, and yes, the 12 is more desirable than the 10.

    Is it "worth the extra 25 euro"? It depends how hard your budget cut off is. If you spend 75 I'd be inclined to get the better Dunvilles personally, for the sake of 25 euro. If you spend 75 you're already pushing the boat out a certain distance.

    The Redbreast PX is still very pleasant, I gave a view on it farther up the thread. Just less interesting than the Dunvilles 12 in particular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    Dunville's have been releasing some great stuff lately. Picked up a load of prizes at the Irish Whiskey Awards too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    That's an incredible drop. If €100 could be considered a bargain I think that qualifies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    A blended bourbon is the same as any other blended whiskey, blended malt, blended grain, etc. as long as the final product is majority from corn, it's bourbon. So hypothetically a blended bourbon irish whiskey could exist, but I'm not sure any Irish bourbon exists. The reality is, that picture is West corks standard whiskey (ex.bourbon cask).

    I don't think that's strictly correct regarding Damson Gin. It's not legally recognised as its own thing, (like sloe gin is) but that doesn't mean you can use it on a label. All sorts of fruit and botanicals can be used in Gin. If the end product meets the criteria for Gin, then it's Gin. So a Damson gin would need to meet 37.5% like all gin, sloe only needs to be 25%.

    The poster says the the Lidl damson Gin is 40%, if correct that's fine to call Gin, as long as it was made with juniper too. Blackwater presumably had to change the name as it fell short of alcohol content. Strangely enough they currently call it Hedgerow Gin. Which seems to be a mislabel, as at 25% its not Gin. On the other hand, their Strawberry Gin is is fine as it's 40% - despite the fact strawberry is specifically recognised.

    There are hundreds of gins with other ingredients listed in their name. Orange Gin, Citrus Gin, Rhubarb gin. All fine as long as they meet the standard for Gin.

    You can actually add sugar or sweetners (or leave residual sugar) and still call it Gin. You only can't call it Dry Gin (or London Gin).


    The term ‘gin’ may be supplemented by the term ‘dry’ if it does not contain added sweetening exceeding 0,1 grams of sweetening products per litre of the final product, expressed as invert sugar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,748 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Bourbon must come from the USA.

    I didn't realise that the Lidl Damson gin was 40%

    I don't understand why the Blackwater Hedgerow isn't called a gin liqueur. It should be.

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


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