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Galway light rail, my idea for a route

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭topcat77


    Looks like the plans to move away from the doomed ring road have started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,572 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Having a tram means repurposing the roads and banning cars.

    What exactly does a tram give that buses on a fully busy laned route doesn't ?

    The barstool experts who hate bus lanes always love going on about a Gluas, Wluas or Lluas. Changes fast ones reality sinks in as we now see in Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,191 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Bus lanes are used by private cars constantly as seen in Galway constantly. BÉ Cork manager said this is one of the reasons that buses are not reliable:

    a chronic shortage of drivers, lack of bus lanes, congestion, illegal bus stop use, and lack of enforcement of parking regulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,013 ✭✭✭jackboy


    If trams mean roads closed to cars in Galway would that mean the ring road would be essential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,572 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What stops drivers from illegally using a tram lane. Why will trams have less of a driver shortage than buses ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    You mean CPO's? Certainly won't see 40-50 houses been demolished for the Galway Tram. Ya I'd say some Gardens will have to be CPO'd I say especially along the Eastern Corridor (Old Dublin Road); perhaps 2/3 buildings as well. ALL this will be occurring for the BusConnects project which just got approval from ABP; but it will be NOTHING on the scale that the GCRR is proposing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Morning Ireland covered it here:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2024/1031/1478322-galway-luas/

    and here is a link to a brief overview of the Mathematics study by Michael Mc Gettrick University of Galway that was mentioned in the thread back in 2020

    https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0204/1113099-the-maths-of-public-transport/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭flatty


    We can't even get a bike path over the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,490 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    If this goes ahead, are the funds for the ring road still in place, or will GLUAS use those funds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Will know about Ring Road POSSIBLY before 2024 is out.

    GLUAS / G-TRAM recent announcement is just a feasibility report. (Bif of electioneering if ya ask me )

    If GCRR fails again - then good chance that POT OF MONEY will be opened up I reckon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭topcat77


    I see this as political maneuvering. Let's see how many politicians drop the "the GCRR must be built" line once the election is over. This could potently be where they can move their opinions

    I'm not for or against the GCRR. I just can't see how it can be built. It's going to be a huge waste of time and money. The GCRR will be part of the Trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T) and will have to align with the policy.

    https://transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-themes/infrastructure-and-investment/trans-european-transport-network-ten-t_en

    Requirements for the TEN-T infrastructure

    The purpose of the infrastructure requirements for the TEN-T network are twofold. They ensure that transport infrastructure users can count on an efficient, reliable and high-performing infrastructure wherever they are in the EU. This important for our economic development and competitiveness and the cohesion of the EU.

    The requirements also ensure the development of more sustainable forms of transport. They make sure that our infrastructure can help reduce emissions from transport and is resilient against the impacts of climate change. Thanks to the requirements sustainable transport modes will be able to offer competitive services. They also promote digitalisation and improve multimodality. Among other, the requirements concern:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Or do we have so much money that they will bundle it all up together TRAM and GCRR?

    Would certainly make it easier to construct a TRAM on existing road NETWORK if this was the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WallyGUFC


    I'd be fairly confident neither the ring road nor a tram line will be built in Galway in my lifetime and I'm hopeful of having another 50 years. It's impossible to get anything done in Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You are probably right but at the end of the day Galway needs both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    it’s that time when elections near and the people of Galway get the usual nonsense instead of solutions to the insane transport problems a city split in two by a river that’s also wedged between sea and lake with only one modern bridge and three medieval bridges (and one pedestrian bridge neither pedestrians nor cyclists prefer compare to bridge next to it)

    Nana Nana na nah nahna Monorail!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,239 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Just put in those BUS Gates on Salmon Weir and College Road like at the Kingfisher Gym in UofG; we DON'T need Cross City BusConnects for them to start this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,903 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    A bus hold 70/80 passsengers max, a 60 meter tram can hold 250+ passengers, so each tram driver moves 2/3 time the number of passengers.

    For on street running, enforcement is the only way to keep cars out of tram lanes, but this gets easier with off road running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,191 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    NTA did a potential rail study, based on 2043 'forecast' bus usage - Ardaun to be built by then

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,572 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I understand that trams carry more than buses. I'm not stupid.

    But no one was talking about capacity. The poster said that buses are unreliable because of "shortage of drivers, lack of bus lanes, congestion, illegal bus stop use, and lack of enforcement of parking regulations"

    Trams don't solve any of those problems. In theory off road running solves one problem but that won't be possible in Galway city centre anyway.

    The tram is just some fantasy fix all solution that for some reason gets none of the vitriol that buses get. We have the same Lyle Lanley tram/monorail stuff spouted for Limerick to Shannon and always by people who refuse to even admit to the existence of never mind use the very good (now 24hr) bus service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    It was explaining ned to you clearly how trams increased capacity reduces driver shortages because you need less drivers.

    200 people by car requires 200 cars and 200 drivers

    200 by bus requires 3 buses and 3 drivers

    200 by tram requires 1 tram and 1 driver

    You can move more people with less staff to operate it - so driver shortages are not as much of an issue.

    Tramlines are driven on much less than bus lanes too - drivers tend to have more of an aversion to driving on Tramlines than bus lanes. Luas has far less car drivers on shared sections blocking it than Dublin bus gets blocked in bus lanes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,572 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No you do not need less drivers.

    That is working off the assumption that you now only need 1 tram and hour instead of a bus every 15 minutes because it holds more. For the tram to be effective it needs to run every 15 minutes just like the bus.

    So 100% wrong on that.

    The reason LUAS lines are broken less than bus lanes is because LUAS lines more often run away from the general road where as almost all bus lanes are right next to a general use lane. If you made an entire section (let's say Eyre Square) car free you would see no rule breaking.



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