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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,439 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - No speculation re the assault in Ballaghaderreen, only discuss what has been reported in the media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Of course, the hapless and unfortunate 19yo lad from Leitrim who happened to mislay his Irish passport while on the sesh in Santa Ponza could rock down to the local Majorcan car-boot sale and pick up an Irish passport for a €5, stuff it down the jax of the plane on the way home and waltz through immigration control - justifying it so because he hadn't the €110 to fork out on top of the change of flights charges. Totally legit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Crime has increased i thought you and your alts were banned from spamming this thread

    Mod note: post warned

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    All thread bans on the current affairs forum were cleared about 2 months ago with a new warning system in place.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058368026/new-rules-for-the-ca-forum#latest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,231 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    No surprise at all that O Learys idea was shot down, no fear McEntee and O Gorman would entertain anything that makes perfect sense when it is coming from Michael O Leary.

    Instead we will just let them flush passports down the toilet on the plane or at Dublin Airport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ballaghadreen is a poster child town for the refugee industry. No protests whatsoever as more and more refugees were sent there.

    Nowhere left to rent and rents double, people living nearby start avoiding the town , businesses close.

    On the other hand they get that delicious diversity n even a mosque or two!

    Will we see 'white flight' from ballaghadreen as the locals abandon it?!

    Fianna fail n Fianna gael probably top the polls in a month or two anyway, so all good!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭riddles


    no arguing the obvious points you are making “Never argue with an idiot.

    They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,526 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    You should read my post again.

    Posters here seem to think Irish people need to have a passport to enter their own country. They do not.

    Private companies can make any rules they wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,526 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It has been linked many times in thread, there has been no increase in crime as a result of AS.

    Crime is well recorded, with oversights in place.

    Actual facts, as opposed to biased opinions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    “All passengers are required to pass through customs and immigration controls. Immigration and border controls at Dublin Airport are fully maintained by the Border Management Unit (BMU), which is under the directorship of the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) of the Department of Justice and Equality”

    It is really amazing that some posters here believe that this is not the case and that there are special queues where Irish people are just waved through



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I have flown Belfast to Glasgow on the budget airlines and no identification asked for.

    They only wanted identification if you had a checked in bag otherwise no checks whatsoever.

    Belfast to Glasgow is treated as a domestic flight and no different than getting a bus and going over in the ferry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,526 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It's amazing that some posters think Irish citizens have to produce passports to enter their own country!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Great to hear that Ireland has such a different experience to other European countries, we truly are getting the hard working engineers and doctors we have been promised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Last time I went through passport control in Dublin airport (was a birthday trip away), I produced my Irish passport and obviously the officer looked at it closely enough as he commented that he hoped I had a nice birthday trip.

    So was there a way I could’ve avoided going through passport control and not have to produce my passport anywhere at arrivals? If I happen to have lost my passport between boarding the flight and reaching passport control, what would’ve happened?

    Not trying to catch anyone out here, just genuinely curious how it works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,526 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No need for a passport. If you're an Irish citizen.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And still you persist with posting this false information. When you falsely claim that most regular passengers are "waved through" immigration checkpoints or that they are not be checked at all, you're attempting to downplay the problem of undocumented scammers.

    It's completely false to state that "if a few flights were coming in together your ID would be more likely to be checked". Immigration officers do not count how many flights are arriving before deciding whether or not to do their job, not to mention that it's almost unheard of for just one flight to be arriving at any one time.

    As multiple posters have pointed out, every single passenger passes through immigration when landing in Ireland. This involves presenting IDs to an officer or scanning at the electronic gates, which use facial comparison technology and check against SIS databases.

    The electronic gates only accept EU passports (including Irish passport cards) and cannot be used with non-EU passports, any driver's licences, or even European national ID cards, so if you're using any of these documents then you must present to an officer.

    (as a side note, you also did not hear Immigration Officers directing people to the electronic gates as this would be the job of DAA staff. You don't seem to even understand who exactly is an officer)

    Officers now often meet passengers at the steps of planes when they disembark, for a preliminary ID check prior to arrival in the main immigration control area, so you may in fact present your ID several times on your journey. You might have "just flashed" your ID at the preliminary checkpoint but you did not "just flash" your ID at the main immigration checkpoint. The officer must physically hold your document to check it. Your "Spanish best friend" also doesn't regularly have this experience.

    Also, only Common Travel Area citizens travelling within the Area can use driver's licences for immigration purposes. Your driver's licence states where you were born and if you were born outside the Common Travel Area then it's not valid for immigration and you must present a passport.

    Stop reiterating misinformation in an attempt to downplay the undocumented issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    If I have no passport though how do I prove I’m an Irish citizen at passport control (which I’m sure you have no choice but to walk through). Will they take me at my word as saying I’m an Irish citizen with an Irish accent, or will I be brought to a room somewhere and held there until I produce enough evidence (bank statements, social media, etc) to try to prove I’m an Irish citizen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,526 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Most people will show some kind of id as airline companies have different rules for travelling.

    They won't detain you, of course not.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly. You must prove you're a citizen. This is most easily done by showing a passport. You could show photo ID and a certificate of naturalisation I suppose but I doubt this happens much. You could also show a Stamp 6 residence card (this is issued to dual citizens) but this would also have to be accompanied by a passport I believe.

    A driver's licence does not prove citizenship. For example, if your Irish driver's licence states you were born in say Brazil, then it is not considered proof of Irish citizenship. You might be legally resident in Ireland but not an Irish citizen and therefore you do not have Common Travel Area privileges and must present a passport. I'm surprised this rule has never changed given the mentality of the current government to be honest.

    There are a couple of posters with zero understanding of immigration controls trying to downplay undocumented arrivals by claiming nobody is checked upon arrival in Ireland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you lose your passport between landing and immigration checkpoints, there are various different processes they follow to verify your identity and see if they can authorise you're entrance to the State. These processes will depend on your nationality.

    If the officers believe you're not genuine then they can get the Gardai involved but I imagine that in the vast majority of such cases people will do everything in their power to prove their identity and they will not be deported.

    Scammers on the other hand will bypass all of this by claiming asylum and initiating a separate process which begins with the Irish government booking the individual a taxi to pick them up from the airport and bring them to their accommodation, even though the individual in question has most likely lied about their name, age, origins, route of travel, and personal circumstances. Off you pop into the country, no need for much questioning!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Once again “All passengers are required to pass through customs and immigration controls. Immigration and border controls at Dublin Airport are fully maintained by the Border Management Unit (BMU), which is under the directorship of the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) of the Department of Justice and Equality”

    What exactly does passing through customs and immigration controls involve? Does it involve being waved through with only the odd check as claimed by a poster here? Or does it involve showing a passport or ID (as applicable)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    All of the comments regarding passport checks and immigration checks entering Ireland are moot.

    I travel every day back and forth between NI and RoI.

    I cross the "border" at dozens of points from monaghan to Donegal ( which clearly many of the posters here have never done). There is no " border". The only way you realise you've entered another country is the difference in roadsigns and the ubiquitous Vodafone text. That's it.

    I can drive to Belfast Airport, pick up a car full of people hailing from anywhere in the world, and drive them to the centre of any town or village in the country and drop them off on their merry way.

    Who's monitoring my journey?

    Absolutely nobody. Ever.

    In 6 years of cross border driving I've been stopped twice, and both times it was the RSA/Customs dipping for diesel.

    So yes, anybody can enter the Republic of Ireland at any time, with complete impunity, by coming through the North.

    The the big, fat, obvious elephant in the room and no-one is paying attention.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great example and proof that they do indeed properly check documents.

    As many security features on documents are tactile, and the documents are scanned, this is partially why the officer must physically hold your ID. Nobody "flashes" their ID through a glass screen and gets "waved on".

    Last time I came through I had a friendly chat about where I had been and what I had done. They are mostly very polite and thorough. I have witnessed people being asked for birth certificates to prove their relationship to kids they're with. They will even take the time to speak to kids and stamp those pretend passports kids have for their dolls or teddies or whatever.

    Of course there will be lapses in concentration and some cutting corners but this is not reflective of the whole set-up.

    Their hands are tied when people claim asylum and their efforts are being undermined by the sheer amount of international protection scammers arriving into the State.

    It's also probably worth mentioning that there are only civilian officers at Dublin airport. The other Irish airports still have the Gardai doing the immigration duties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    You are making the mistake of dealing with bad faith actors here.

    The reason why some are insisting on focusing in on this passport issue is so that they can derail the thread and the discussion.

    "I can't believe that some people think Irish citizens need Passports to enter their own country!"#

    Said knowing full well that Irish citizens do need to produce ID to enter the country. It's being pedantic in order to sidetrack the discussion. "I said no HomerS, we're allowed to have one. I said they don't need PASSPORTS, I never said anything about ID!"

    I wish they would just get to the point and present their real argument. Basically, if you don't have a problem with Irish people just coming and going as they please, since we don't even need passports to enter, then it's very very curious that you would have a problem with all these other people from who knows where showing up without passports, you racist!

    The average Irish person will use their passport when travelling. Accordingly, their passport will be checked at the boarding gate on both outbound and inbound flights and checked when they arrive back in Ireland. Now, when re-entering Ireland they could have used their drivers license instead, if they wanted, but in general the vast majority will show their passport and assume that this was the procedure without questioning it.

    Quite how this relates to people boarding a flight to Dublin and "losing" their ID, whether that be passport or otherwise, and then being fast-tracked to all the lovely state benefits that we taxpayers foot the bill for is a mystery to me.

    This entire performance, spanning a couple of pages now, is put on for the sole reason of avoiding the elephant in the room which is Irelands unsustainable refugee policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Agreed. A lot of people are aware that most international protection applicants arrive via the North. There are people cleaning up by picking up applicants and driving them to Dublin. Much more monitoring of arrivals to the North needed and much more monitoring of ferries in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭star61


    Irish citizens do not need a passport to enter Ireland. How can they tell who is Irish and who is not ? Can you just say it? Do they request ID ? What type is acceptable?
    Can you please explain how this works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭halkar


    No one should be allowed to leave plane without passport. After all you can't get on plane without passport and visas checked at most airports. I don't know why government was not strict about this when this $hit show of destroying documents on planes started. No docs No entry simple as this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    • A valid National Identity Card is required . Howver as to your post above that claims they dont need a psssport .
    • You seem to have backtracked on your claim as to a later post .
    • '' however, some carriers/airlines require a passport as proof of identification. ''


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    A few simple measures could have stopped it or at least stopped some of it. It’s insane what has been allowed to happen. And before anyone says that there may be genuine cases of someone not having ID, that’s not a good enough reason to leave it as a free for all and open to abuse from scammers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I would certainly not listen to any advice you try to peddle . A photo ID is required .

    https://www.irishferries.com/ie-en/frequently-asked-questions/top-10-faqs/passports-identification/

    https://www.aerlingus.com/prepare/passports-and-visas/travel-to-from-britain/

    https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-ie/articles/12889174472721-What-do-I-need-to-check-in

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


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