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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I have gone with out a passport on many occasions .

    Are you saying I am not Irish ?🤣



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm saying there has not been one single occasion when you have arrived at an Irish airport and not passed through Immigration Control. And when you pass through Immigration control, you will be asked for your travel document 100% of the time.

    If you are an Irish or British citizen and you have travelled from the UK to Ireland, and you want to avail of Common Travel Area privileges, then you need to prove you are such a citizen. You might have done this with a drivers licence or maybe even some photo ID along with a birt cert or something. But most likely you will have simply shown your passport as that's the most common means of proving youre a citizen.

    So, are you telling me you have arrived at an Irish airport and not passed through immigration control? Because that would be a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No. I have told you that I didn't need a passport . You have extrapolated the rest yourself .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    This post won't go down well as many other posters on the thread claim we have open borders.

    Unless for some reason you think that someone without valid ID is ignored? Do they just get waved through?

    It cannot be both strict control or nothing at the same time.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're talking rubbish.

    You said there was a queue for Irish people and that Irish people get waved through without showing ID.

    And you stated that sometimes people are not asked for ID at Irish airports, as this is done at boarding. This is all completely false. Do you admit that you posted false info?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Id appreciate if you retract your statement.

    There is no legal necessity for Irish citizens to produce a passport to enter the country. Same with the UK and UK citizens here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Here is one of the posts where you give false info. You say, "you dont show ID entering the country"

    Do you admit this is false?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Please cease this harassment and fake outrage .

    You are quite simply wrong . Not answering anymore as have already more than once .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is absolutely no lane solely for Irish people. There is a lane for EU citizens.

    And here we go again you posting lies. It is completely untrue that "the odd person gets their ID checked". An absolute falsehood. Every single person must present their ID and is asked to do so by officers.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You do not understand how immigration controls at airports work and you have posted various falsehoods in your last few posts.

    Accusing people of harassing you when they point out blatant lies you posted . Not responding any more because you got called out - did I hurt your feelings highlighting your lies ? Typical 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No . But I am tired of repeating some pretty simple points again and again . Your go to is to accuse people of lying it seems if they don't spell everything out the way you prefer .

    I didn't name the lane specifically . It was not specifically The Irish Lane . It was the lane / immigration lane , that Irish people walk through on arriving in an Irish airport and often people are allowed through with only a handful being checked , in my considerable experience. Is that clear enough or are you going to accuse me of lying again ?

    Yes being unfairly and uncivilly called a liar is while par for the course here an unpleasant experience .

    Interesting that you think it's funny .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As seen in the below quotes, you repeated the following lies multiple times:

    • passengers show ID on the plane but not always upon landing in Ireland unless stopped
    • only the odd person gets stopped when landing in Ireland.
    • There is a lane solely for Irish people and only the odd person gets checked.

    The truth is that you show ID both boarding and at immigration upon landing in Ireland, as you must satisfy both boarding rules and immigration legislation. Also, everyone is stopped at Irish airports. There is no "unless stopped". It is also untrue that there is a lane solely for Irish people.

    You also don't seem to understand common travel area arrangements. You can't speak on border control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    So glad you posted those quotes.

    Where did I say ' solely ' ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some nice backtracking there regarding your claims about the queuing system/

    So once again you are claiming that only a handful of people are checked at the checkpoints. A complete and utter falsehood. You initially stated it was a fact and now it's just "your experience". Yes, it's a lie. You have not witnessed people being let through immigration controls without showing ID. You simply have not seen this because it does not happen. Why not just admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Complaining about people bringing up far-right behavior isn’t some grand conspiracy to avoid discussing immigration. It’s called addressing the facts. When groups known for extreme, racist views try to hijack a conversation, it’s only natural for people to call it out. Theres a real difference between reasonable concerns and the far-right’s fear-mongering tactics. Maybe if the far-right didn’t regularly cross the line, people wouldn’t need to keep bringing it up. Anyone who is trying to downplay the far right probably doesn't have the ability to take a step back and realise how that looks to someone who isn't in that echo chamber. It just makes you look like you're lacking in intelligence and can't read a room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    You just keep banging on about this 0.42% of people voting for far-right parties - The thing is though, you've turned this into an imaginary 'only 0.42% of the country have a problem with this uncontrolled immigration' in your own head only - despite being shown polls that on avg, 75% do have issues with it

    You have said that 99% of people on this thread probably voted far-right. I'd say 99% of people on this thread didn't vote far-right and are in the 75% cohort of normal, intelligent people - Nobody wants far-right parties as your 0.42% proves, and all that stat shows is the threat of the far-right is a made up bogeyman

    Which part of the fact that poll after poll consistently showing that on avg 75% of people have a problem with this situation, are you having difficulty understanding

    IT poll 2.jpg idm poll.jpg

    On that second link - notice the way the headline does not read - 'Exclusive Mail poll finds 0.42% want a tougher approach on refugees'



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OK. So let's pretend you are being genuine here and you didnt suggest there was solely an irish queue and that you in fact knew it is an "EU queue" and this is what you were really saying.

    Well, this actually makes your lies worse. Because what you are therefore claiming is that people move through an EU queue and "only the odd one is checked" and most are just waved through? So there could be Spanish/Italians/Polish people etc being waved through according to you without checking their ID? Like , how do officers even distinguish who to just wave through without ID?

    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Without a passport I said . That was what this conversation was about until you started morphing it .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So just to make things clear about how the airport actually works. Absolutely every passenger is asked for ID when they land in Ireland. If for some reason and regular passenger has lost their passport there are processes that must be followed to establish their identity.

    EU passengers can also choose to use the electronic immigration gates instead of dealing with the officers. These gates scan passports and use facial comparison technology. Ironically this means that EU passengers often go through more stringent checks that many non-EU.

    The only people that blatantly don't show ID at passport control are in fact asylum seekers who perform a tried and tested routine of boarding planes with IDs, destroying the IDs before landing, and then claiming they don't know who they are or where they came from upon questioning by officers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    And just to reiterate, Irish citizens do not require a passport to enter their own country. Neither do UK citizens. and neither need a passport to enter the UK either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What I'm saying is that Irish and EU passengers are routinely required to provide their documents.

    Meanwhile, scores of scam artists arrive each week, destroy their IDs, lie about their identity, lie about their routes travelled, and simply say the magic word of "aslyum" before being quite literally placed in a taxi at the expense of Irish people and set on the road to citizenship.

    Edit: I'm also pointing out that there are two posters on here who are posting lies about how the border works.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why are you reiterating that. I've stated the same myself.

    Why not elaborate on it though. How do people prove they are CTA citizens when they arrive at the airport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Again, I would appreciate you retracting your personal abuse.

    Secondly, there is no legal requirement for Irish or UK citizens to produce a passport. I have supplied a link to the official government website stating same.

    There are many different ways to cross our border, outside of Dublin, Shannon and knock airports.

    There is no legal requirement in this country for citizens to carry identification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Why are you persisting in saying I and another poster are lying ?

    You are twisting posts and moving goalposts here and you say others are lying .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    both the UK and Ireland have domestic laws which put the CTA into effect. In both cases, those laws allow citizens of the UK or Ireland to move directly between the two territories without any need for a passport or other ID. 

    https://factcheckni.org/articles/can-both-uk-and-irish-citizens-cross-the-border-without-showing-id/#:~:text=CLAIM%3A%20Citizens%20of%20both%20the%20UK%20and%20of,the%20legal%20provisions%20of%20the%20Common%20Travel%20Area.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's quite telling when people desperately resort to being offended. I'm simply highlighting problems with your understanding of the CTA.

    Forget about copying and pasting some online text you found. We are talking about the airport firstly. How does one prove they are a CTA citizen when they arrive at border control? Simple question. Any idea?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    @suvigirl

    Yep. Citizens of the CTA can travel freely within the CTA. We can agree on that.

    Now, how does someone prove they are a citizen of the CTA when they land at Dublin airport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,560 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I have already pointed out the legal requirements (none) and the fact that there are more ways to enter them Dublin airport!

    Forget copying and pasting? You mean links to official government stating that prove what I am saying.

    Oh, I'm not offended, just like to point out the actual facts and truth.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because completely contrary to your previous posts which I quoted, every passenger landing in Irish airports from another country must pass through immigration control and is asked for their ID. It is false to claim that Irish people are singled out (from a queue mixed with other EU passengers) and waved through without being asked for ID with "only the odd one" checked?

    Do you now accept this?



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