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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,075 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It all started when Joe was asked about Ross, Joe made a comment like "if you think he is good then wait till you see the brother"

    That comment alone started a ripple online with some people automatically having an issue with Harry before they ever seen him

    BOD made some comments after a few Pro14 games which Harry had played very well in, that just sealed the deal. Even BOD has said before he is amazed that people still come up to him and go on about it.

    Any young player that comes into the system people get carried away with, honestly it is way over the top with Harry who has done nothing wrong at any stage to get peoples back up. He never made the comments, other people did but he is the one getting the constant abuse

    He is a quality rugby player, still very young and still could have a huge career for a province and for Ireland.

    Maybe get the hump with a player if they come out themselves and say something you don't like, not taking the hump with a player for what someone else has said about them and thye have no control over.

    FYI it was Joey that Henry said was the future 10 for Leinster. I don't think Harry was even out of schools at that stage



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Did Graham Henry say anything ever about Harry Byrne? His most famous comment was about Carberry.

    Anyway, I never engaged in Harry Byrne hype, bar hoping that he would display some of the skills of his brother but with better athleticism. I am unashamedly getting on the hype train for Prendergast cause I think he's just a much better player already. It's not even just about potential. I would also consider him a better 10 than Frawley already, but that is somewhat rooted in me not rating Frawley at 10 all that highly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Henry was with Leinster in 2016, Harry joined Leinster circa 2018/19

    Im with you on Frawley, I don't see him as a 10 and think he will end up at 15 or 12



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Thanks for engaging in good faith, Podge. I don't know that we are more guilty of it than anyone else, but we do love a good hype hurricane. I think, as well, that Sexton was so good and key to Ireland's success that we now think that a ten has to be that immensely talented. Puts pressure on the way we look at youngsters. We forget we don't need our next ten to be as good as Sexton, just good enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I have neither given him abuse nor taken the hump with him. He has not got my back up. I have no strong feelings about Harry Byrne.

    The subject of my post was the "reviews" he got. Are you under the impression I think he wrote/spoke those "reviews" himself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Crazy Davey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    I don't think we necessarily do it more than anyone else - having lived for a period of time in some other rugby playing countries. The Saffers take it to another extreme entirely.

    But, even if we did - there's very little problem with it from my perspective. Part of the enjoyment of following these teams and players closely is the kind of hope and the "wish-casting" you get from seeing exciting young players come through and turn into elite internationals and win things. That's a big part of the fun for me (and I think a lot of us) and there's something a bit joyless for me in constantly feeling the need to pour cold water on it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    This post sums up Boards in a nutshell. No ideas to engage with, no analysis, nothing of value added whatsoever. Just more of the same glib slop that pervades this site.

    Yes, some players do not reach their perceived potential. With Irish rugby players, this tends to be due to injury, as the pathway will usually weed out players with personality issues long before they progress far enough to become a "prospect".

    Injury is a fundamental part of rugby. There is no need to append every post complimenting a young player with a disclaimer stating that their career might be derailed by injury. It is a truism that is implicitly understood by anyone with a passing knowledge of the game.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The "hype" for what it was around Harry was also a function of how miserable our other options at 10 seemed to be. So it was natural to latch onto a young player as a potential solution - that he was more athletic than his brother, whose glaring weakness is his athleticism, just added fuel to the fire.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Yeah - I'd agree with that 100%. When we're desperate for a young player to be good because our current options aren't great, we put a pressure on their talent and their persona.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Shortlists named for the Rugby Ireland Writer's Player of the Year - the 5 nominees for the men's award are:

    Caelan Doris, Jamison Gibson Park, Joe McCarthy, Bundee Aki & Jack Crowley.

    Nominees for 7s player of the Year are: Zac Ward, Terry Kennedy & Harry McNulty (weird you've three nominees for an award where they've only around 15 or so eligible recipients - would be like nominating around 15-20 for the Men's Player of the Year Award).

    For me, the men's award should be between JGP and Doris, but it would have to be Doris based on his performance's in SA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,568 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Wafer

    Doris

    Ward

    Didn't see enough of the women's 7s but I'll go for Amee Leagh Murphy Crowe

    Irish senior women's team (even though the men's team won the 6Ns again I just think the women's team improved more)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Think they’re all good calls. JGP was superb too, especially for Leinster in the Euro knock outs, but Doris gets it for his performances in SA for me.

    Think Tadgh Beirne was unlucky not to make the list. That performance in France in the 6N might be the best performance of an Irish player all year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    You're not mixing Beirne up with McCarthy, are you? Many were hailing his performance in the France 6N game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Nope, both were excellent but I thought Beirne was better on the night even though McCarthy got MOTM (on his first 6N start which quite often sways those decisions)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This New Zealand side is very beatable. Their discipline is poor and Ireland can definitely eke out penalties by bringing the ball to the line before releasing. The All Blacks are biting in and hitting the wrong man.

    We don't defend up fast like England so we won't put New Zealand under the same sort of pressure. But I think we can put them in situations where their ball handling is tested and so far it looks like they don't have the same accuracy as previous New Zealand teams.

    England's attacking patterns aren't great. They're built upon huge physicality, forcing you backwards and building possession through winning back kicking duels. Ireland have a far more coordinated and inclusive attacking structure and I think we can hurt New Zealand through phase play possession rather than in the scrap like England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Jesus! No Furlong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭The Guru 123


    Lads that Rob Kearney quote about the All Blacks being afraid of us couldn’t be legit could it?

    They’ve beaten Ireland at the last 2 World Cup quarter finals! Does the rugby media ever learn their lesson about over hyping the team?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,075 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    FFS.

    The next sentence out of Kearney's mouth was “Of course, they will always point to the last two quarter-finals of the World Cup which is what matters"

    Relax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭ersatz


    One of my kids ran into RK just before the NZ series and asked him how it would go, "it will be ugly" was his response. I know the vast majority of pundits and experts got it wrong in NZ and RK is just another one of those guys. Quinlan got it wrong for both the second and third matches, and he was standing on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    If we play to our standards, I'm fully confident we will win. Just not sure we can hit that fresh out of the gate. Big calls to be made in the backrow and centres. Osborne is probably the form 12, but it'd a big call to not play Aki or Henshaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Both Thornley and Kinsella are reporting a team of little surprise but interestingly there seems to be murmurs from people on the Leinster and Munster Rugby forum who have a history of being in the know, and have been right very often, are indicating that Prendergast could be getting a start…it'll be very interesting to see if this plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,075 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Thornley's "possible" team

    Hugo Keenan; Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Andrew Porter, Rónan Kelleher, Finlay Bealham, Joe McCarthy, James Ryan, Tadhg Beirne, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (capt). 

    Replacements:

    Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Tom O’Toole, Ryan Baird, Peter O’Mahony, Conor Murray/Craig Casey, Ciarán Frawley, Jamie Osborne.

    Not much to get excited or upset about really. We might have looked at moving Aki and POM along based on age, but plenty of other games to look at other players.

    Big challenge/opportunity for Bealham and TOT given NZ's scrum dominance against England last week.

    Ireland v New Zealand: Tadhg Furlong ruled out as Andy Farrell is set to name strong side – The Irish Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭ingo1984


    if we are going to be moving players along because of their age, then the metric should be if they'll be too old come next world cup. on that basis the below should be moved on;

    aki, pom, lowe, murray, Healy, jgl, jvdv, beirney, herring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭jim Dempsey


    Has furlong struggled against de Groot in the past ? Some people were saying de Groot was rested against England for the Ireland game which nz are targeting. Also Gerry thornley said the game is not sold out yet only the Australian game sold out is that true ?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,493 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Aki, POM, Murray - yes.

    Aki might leave for France soon and we have a number of 12s who need a crack.

    There are several better 6s than POM and if he's just there for leadership someone else needs to step up. He'll most likely be POTM against NZ though.

    I'd be surprised if Murray played but not shocked. For the 5-15 minutes we'll need a replacement 9 we have plenty of serviceable options.

    Lowe - maybe. But I can't think of a fit left winger who comes close to his ability. We can't really change half the team and expect a cohesive performance.

    Healy - should of course be moved on but we have nobody close to being an international LH and who can walk right now.

    JGP - no. He's in his prime still and streets ahead of everyone.

    VdF - while I woudn't go dropping him it's high time we tried some of the other 7s in the country.

    Beirne - no need to drop him while he's still a diamond player. His eventual replacements are getting plenty of game time either way.

    Herring - he's a half-way fit hooker, he has to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    For Lowe, is Stockdale injured? He has been playing well recently, at least statistically he has been beating defenders and any time I've seen him lately I've thought he looks like he could be ready to play for Ireland again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Stockdale was selected for the squad at least.

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