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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Is that all you got? Someone is offended by paddy? Bonus point for Patriot.

    Any comment on the unfortunate beheading incident in sligo? Or the fact a refugee family living in a council house provided by the state is suing to get 350k cash back?

    Accomodation crisis in sligo for students after student apartments jumped on the refugee money. Deport the palanis n free up a house for students who have something to contribute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I’m shocked that you think the incident in Sligo was unfortunate. I believe it was a horrific attack on innocent members of the LBGT community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    There are many words that can be used to describe the Sligo attacks. Horrific and the victims were very unfortunate to have that happen to them. You’re really reaching to try to catch someone out by the words they use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I believe the words people use matter. I’m old fashioned that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Are you really arguing that unfortunate is not a good word to describe what happened to the victims in Sligo? As I said there are many words that can be used to describe what happened. What you’re doing in trying to pick apart words is an extremely cheap trick



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    We are constantly told that there is no issue with Africans or African culture and they we should welcome as many as possible to Ireland with no reservations as that would be racist.

    At the same time, we are constantly told that each and every one of the 50 plus African countries are far too dangerous to deport any African that doesn't get Asylum. Both of these statements can't be true so which one is it?

    In reality, it's the people that make a Country unsafe for other people to inhabit. South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world so we should be very, very cautious about taking anybody from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    The most mono-ethnic countries on Earth are in Asia and Africa where immigration is almost unknown. The only multi-ethnic countries with the exception of Dubai are majority White countries as developed countries are the least racist and attract more Economic migrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    That will be interesting. Who would want to take on such a toxic portfolio if RoG is not returned. Whoever it is, it would be great if they could give as much attention to other parts of their brief, ie, children, disability and youth which seem to have been downgraded as less important areas than integration and equality in the past few years. Or maybe that department needs to be split as it's not working well in any area now because there needs to be such a sustained focus on refugees and ipas.

    Post edited by mrslancaster on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,020 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It's too big of a brief and should really be split. I believe they did offer to do this for O'Gorman but he as happy with the way things were.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Big brouhaha in athlone over a centre for asylum seekers

    Local Sinn Féin TD Sorca Clarke on Tuesday night told the Irish Daily Mail she is opposed to the plan as services are already stretched in the town

    The councillors will meet in public this morning to discuss the plan, with the sole item on the agenda being to consider whether they will issue an order under Section 31 of the Local Government (Sanitary Services) Act 1948 to ‘prohibit the erection or retention of temporary dwellings on lands at Lissywollen, Athlone’.

    i'd say that's the first time SF has had any use for a Section 31…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'd take it on in the morning and immediately direct that all but the most genuine cases be refused. Let it get out to the scammers that we are no soft touch and that there are 2 options, self deportation or imprisonment in dentition centres, and then forced deportation.



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    Can anyone answer this question 'cause it's something that I've been wondering about for a while: can anyone anywhere in the world come to Ireland, be the person from Afghanistan or Australia, claim to be an asylum seeker and get to stay for ever? I mean, are there are restrictions or limits at all? And I don't mean limits on paper that aren't enforced. I mean in practice, are there any limits? Is it right that a person from anywhere in the world can claim to be an asylum seeker and will be merely asked to leave?

    And I don't mean people from EU countries. I mean from outside the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    That's basically it if you look at the hundreds arriving weekly. The majority aren't legitimate in any way, a tiny percentage get told to leave but don't have to if they don't want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Juran


    @Durnan

    Re your question ...

    Look up Ms Enitan Pamela Izevbekhai. She was deported from Ireland in 2011 after a lenghtly legal fight which went to the Irish and European highcourt I believe (correct me if I'm wrong).. it was proven she lied on her Asylum application about her girls at threat in Nigeria from FGM and lied that a child died, and a host of other false claims and false documents. The lady and her kids were on welfare with the state paying their rented house in Sligo for years.

    For some reason the dept of justice persued this lady, they were like a dog with a bone until they got her on that plane. They were right, this is the law, this is their job. I appreciate this took a lot of resources and cost a fortune, but surely they should have learnt from this and should have implented processing centres, no welfare, no rental house, etc starting back in 2011. It would have deterred the masses we are seeing today.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks. It's extraordinary when you think about that in reality there are zero limits or restrictions. I don't understand why anyone would bother applying for a visa when all they have to is say they're an asylum seeker.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks. I remember reading about that case. But couldn't she just have come back the next day (well, not the next day, but say a month later) and claim again to be an asylum seeker? It's just that it seems that anyone from anywhere in the world can just walk in and stay for ever.

    I wonder could a person from Australia or Canada claim asylum and say they've no documents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Juran


    I'd say if you rocked up to Dublin airport immigration white skinned with an Aussie or Canadian accent, they'd send you back on the next flight. Better off having dark skin and pretending you dont have english and its Céad Míle Fáilte !

    Mod Edit: Warning issued. One day forum ban applied. No need for this type of generalisation

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Heard on radio recently about some irish citizens who mislaid their passports while on holiday, one in spain and the other in canada. They were told they would not be allowed to come home without getting new passports. Each had to over-stay their visits abroad until their passport issue was sorted. So it seems that some people definitely need a passport to enter the country. Not everyone though 😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,519 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Not true. Irish citizens do not need a passport to enter Ireland.

    TThey needed them to get out of those countries, by the airports.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    Of course native Irish are guardians of Irish culture, the same way native aboriginals or native americans are guardians of theirs. If you think our traditions are going to be kept alive by immigrants then we may forget about our culture altogether. Immigrants bring their own culture and traditions with them and that's fantastic.Nowhere in my original post that was deleted, did I say there should be no immigration, but there should be limits on how many we take in. Otherwise in 100 years poor old paddy irishman/woman will be an old relic of the past, living in pockets in his own country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,700 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I'm not having go at 99% women here most were appalled by the attack.

    What I found sad is that it was about 80% of people saying it was fake were women.

    What was even worse when I saw poster complain just recently about "male toxicity" in separate incident.

    These people are a totally nuts and I mean sociopath nuts.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,060 ✭✭✭conorhal


    "Romantic Ireland's dead and gone, it's with O'Leary in the grave"….
    Loyalty or love of one’s culture or nation was long ago replaced in Ireland by a loyalty only to one’s economic class, to such an extent that I would hesitate to call this a nation any longer. It's just a collection of economic interests governed by a tiny class of self-interested graspers and your citizenship means little more than your PPS number does at this point.
    This sad situation is of course, the much desired outcome for the multicultists, who ironically, care absolutely nothing about culture or refugees for that matter. Which is why it's pointless to debate facts or policy with such individuals, because you're operating under the erroneous assumption that they care about this country, it’s good governance or the refugees and migrants that are entering it in overwhelming droves. They don't, not a wit.
    What they care about is their rootless, cosmopolitan economic 'laptop class'. We have become a nation largely composed of narcissists who view culture, nationalism and even social cohesion itself, as a threat to their ability to live a solipsistic existence with no demands, expectations or judgement from wider society, one they are determined to atomize and then cannibalize.
    As the old commies used to say, ‘five fingers make a fist’. What these solipsists really desire is the scattering of that fist’s carpals and metacarpals across the graveyard of a dead society, and they see mass immigration as a means to that end. Like I said, they care about refugees and migrants only in so far as it enriches them and furthers that goal. The literal worst thing in the world to these people, their sole taboo and fear is the word ‘no’. That’s why they support any cracked idea to the death, because if everything is permissible, that facilitates their own perverse and narcissistic ends and if society has to burn to meet those, so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭babyducklings1


    And more than twenty thousand expected to arrive this year according to indo article. Do they all get free medical cards and medical care. A poster posted on old thread posted about their partner a cancer patient being refused a card post was removed. Truth hurts obviously.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They've been brainwashed into hating men, unfortunately. Because there's no opposition anywhere (all the political parties, radio stations, newspapers, etc, are identical) they never hear or read any alternative viewpoints.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, it's a corpse in which 'do as thou wilt' is the one and only commandment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,187 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A complete waste of court time here, judge calling out mindless conspiracy theories and them claiming to speak for everyone.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/10/31/high-court-refuses-to-order-stop-to-plan-for-migrant-housing-on-coolock-site/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Easy for the judge when he knows that will never happen next door to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Pity there's no opposition in government no alternative to the racket being stopped.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    tbh, after the locals i don't have much hope for change in the GE, but given the performances of both government and opposition TD's, some of them should never see public office again.



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