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The second coming of a runner

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Brilliant run in Roscommon - well done!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting July 1st - 55K for the week

    Weight: 86.6KG On Sunday morning, so still heading the in right direction. Was fairly decent all week, but did increase the amount I was eating a little to try stay on top of the extra KM I was doing.

    Also had the guts of a cheat day Sunday, nothing crazy but I was visiting a friends house and actually partook in some of the snacks. Definitely didn't do the dog on it or anything!

    Plan: 

    Deliberated on different plans for a bit, but I never found one that resonated with me. In the end I decided to make a hybrid plan. First half of the week the sessions are from Graduate boards beginner plan, the weekend runs are from Hal Higdon intermediate 1 (same as I did last year). The boards plan is only 14 weeks compared to 18 of HH (and im already a week in…) so I repeated a few of the boards sessions to make up the extra weeks. I break down my thought process behind it a bit more on the graduate thread

    Week 1 of 17: 60min V.Easy | 5 X 8 min Threshold | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 8k Easy | 15K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 60 min Very easy (8.55KM at 7:01/km)

    Legs still pretty tired from Roscommon. It's amazing how well the massage gun works though as I did a light session on my right hamstring the night before, which was the worst feeling one, before one of the kids interrupted me and I never got back to doing my left, and my left was much worse than my right when I went to run. Was fine though, just took the pace very very easy

    Tuesday: 2 ish Km warmup, 5 X 8 min Threshold + 4 min recovery, 2 ish KM cooldown (14.13KM @ 6:09/km)

    Firstly, I misread the boards plan, it was only 4x… whoops. Was ok though, probably could have done a faster pace than 5:40 for threshold, but my legs are still a bit tired so didn't want to push too hard.

    Ballinasloe has a lovely running track, that on Tuesdays is open from 10am to 5pm, so kind of no use to me! So I'll probably be doing the speed sessions on the road.

    Wednesday: 60 min Very easy (9KM at 6:37/km)

    Legs feeling much better than the monday so the pace is a little higher. I do really like that I'm back to the stage where my legs can feel better despite a decent amount of running Monday and Tuesday

    Thursday: Rest

    Was tired, was happy enough to get a rest day.

    Friday: 8K Easy (6:44/km)

    It was a nice morning but for whatever reason I just found it a slog, just wasnt feeling it.

    Saturday: 16K Easy (6:27/km)

    Some people from the run group are doing 10K, so I decide to do an extra 5k before we meet up. I get my timing wrong so I decide doing an extra KM at this point is probably better than standing around for that time.

    Big gang doing the 10k and they went out way to fast for me for a easy run (sub 6:00/km) so I let them off. It is kind of nice to know that I'm doing it deliberately rather than just not being able to keep up with them as it was slower than my 10 mile pace from last week.

    Eventually caught up with a few people where one of them was struggling a bit so finished off the run with them.

    Seems like the numbers doing the marathon from our group are way down this year, I'm currently the slowest of them and probably am the person who puts the most faith in the run slow mantra, so I've a feeling I'll be doing a lot of these long runs on my own. Not the end of the world, I run on my own most of the time anyways, but I'm sure the 3 hour+ long runs might drag a bit more with only my own company :)

    Summary: First time going over 50Km in week since the marathon training last year I'd say, feeling pretty good though, especially considering I raced last week. Bit of a step back week next week, which is fine, plenty of tough weeks ahead!

    Signed up for the Tullamore half at the end of august to get some more race day experience. I think I lacked it a bit last year at DCM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Well done for having the mental strength to not get pulled along at the faster pace with the crowd for your long run. It's not easy to do when there's a gang.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Oh for sure, I'm definitely more comfortable with the dropping back than I was in the past but even still my pace was probably a little fast!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting July 8th - 55K for the week

    Weight: 86.4KG On Sunday morning (down 0.2kg). It was a bit of a mixed week, but I didn't think it was too bad so a little suprised to see it this low of a change.

    Weighing yourself isn't an exact science I suppose so, If you drink a litre of water, your 1kg heavier so can't be too bothered about what it says on the scales on one random day, so we'll see how were looking next week.

    Plan: Week 2 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 70min Easy | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 8k MP | 9K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 60 min Very easy (9.05KM at 6:41/km)

    Tuesday: 70 min Easy (10.63KM at 6:38/km)

    Got out very early as my wife didn't have crossfit in the morning so didn't need to wait for the parenting relay!

    Wednesday: 60 min Very easy (9.33KM at 6:26/km)

    I'm guessing I am running these as easy, but the distance keeps getting longer so maybe I need to be more strict with myself.

    Thursday: Rest

    Friday: 8K Marathon Pace, with 2.4K WU and 1.6K CD (12K @ 6:09/km overall, just under 6/km for the marathon pace bit)

    Marathon pace, what should that be!?

    I aimed for 6:20 pace last year, roughly a 4:30 marathon and I failed miserably.

    The 10 mile race time from Roscommon suggests I can do a 4:10 marathon, which is a 6:00 pace.

    I'm feeling pretty good at the moment, I'm probably 3 or 4kg lighter than I was this time last year, so im going to go for the more ambitious pace being my target for now. I guess tullamore will give a better indication of how things are going

    Saturday: 10K "Easy" (6:12/km)

    Out with the group again, majority of the group going too fast for easy again, so I dropped back, but there was a slower group I joined in with and they were probably going too fast for easy too :/

    It was fine overall but need to keep being strict with myself around this.

    DIY for the rest of the day, almost literally. We are doing up the utlity room and I think we finished up at 11 oclock on saturday night. Sunday was DIY heavy too!

    Summary: 51Km for the week.

    18k coming up this weekend, will be my first time going past 16K in months. will be nice to get that slight mental barrier out of the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting July 15th - 60K for the week

    Weight: 85.4KG On Sunday morning (down 1kg). Fairly decent week, but pretty similar to other weeks. Did a good few walks at lunch time which probably helped.

    I think the big drop is really a combination of last week too where the weigh in was artificially high.

    Plan: Week 3 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 60min Moderate | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 10k MP | 18K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 60 min Very easy (9.29KM at 6:28/km)

    Legs were fairly tired after a busy weekend of DIY, but felt good after 3 or 4k

    + 2K walk at lunchtime

    Tuesday: 60 min Moderate (10.41KM at 5:47/km)

    What's moderate pace!? Decided to just go at a pace where it felt like I was pushing a bit but not really goings for it. Wasn't easy for sure but I felt pretty good after it.

    + ~3k walk at lunchtime

    Wednesday: 60 min Very easy (9.35KM at 6:24/km)

    Was the perfect morning for a run, little sunny with a nice breeze. More of them please!

    + 2k walk at lunchtime

    Thursday: Rest from running. 2.5K walk at lunch

    Friday: 10K Marathon Pace, with 2K WU and 1K CD (13K @ 5:59/km overall, Maybe about 5:50/km for the marathon pace bit, so need to ease that off a bit.)

    This was essentially the same run as Tuesday, but I found it much harder. It was a good bit warmer and I had much less sleep

    I did walk today too, probably 3k, but I never started my watch so I guess it never happened.

    Saturday: 18K Easy (6:26/km)

    First time going over 10 miles in a while.

    Went out on my own for 2k, met up with another group of early people for about 5K, then met up with the main group for 10K and did the final 1K on my own after.

    Pace was a bit better today than last week, but need to keep on top of it!

    Was sleepy tired after the run. Legs were ok, the bigger muscles were fine but my knees felt a little tired.

    Summary: 60Km for the week.

    The most I ran in a week last year was 72Km so starting to get up to those numbers again. Feeling pretty decent so hopefully can keep it up!

    Signed up for Streets of Galway in a few weeks time. It's 8k on a Saturday night, so I will have to do some plan juggling to make it happen, but I'll probably drop the 12K @MP that is scheduled for the Friday and do the LR on the Sunday evening or something.

    Not sure what pace/time I should be aiming for it. I will Probably aim for 40mins cause its nice and round, but it could well be a few minutes north of that.

    My 10k PB is 55 mins from the 10 mile race, so could I do 30 seconds per KM faster for half the distance as the 10 miles, maybe? We'll find out I suppose!

    A 40 minutes 8K would give me a 5K PB though, A PB that has stood for nearly 10 years! (although I don't race 5ks much)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Two for one special!

    Week Starting July 22nd - 60K for the week

    Weight: 86.4KG On Sunday morning (Up 1kg). Surprising to be up, as I generally I was ok. But I did have a take away for a birthday celebration on the Saturday night so meh.

    Plan: Week 4 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 70mins Easy | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 10k Easy | 20K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 60 min Very Easy (9.33KM at 6:27/km)

    Tuesday: 70 min Easy (10.97KM at 6:24/km)

    Wednesday: 60 min "easy" (9.82KM at 6:09/km)

    With someone from the run group. Felt fairly good despite the faster pace.

    Thursday: Rest

    Friday: 10K Easy (10.05KM at 6:23/km)

    Lovely morning for a run

    Saturday: 20K Easy (6:15/km)

    A Hodge podge of loops and routes to make up the 20k. Had a bit of headache in the morning, felt ok on the run, but felt kind of unwell after it so spent a good chunk of the day in bed.

    Sunday: 6k walk. Got my Mam out to babysit the kids and went for a nice stroll in a nearby woods, was very nice!

    Summary: 60Km for the week.

    Week Starting July 29th - ~70K for the week

    Weight: 85.6KG On Sunday morning (Down 0.8kg). I'm still a bit in denial that I put on a KG last week, but I guess maybe. Was ok food wise again, and had a very busy week with DIY stuff so plenty of activity on top of running too.

    Plan: Week 5 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    Plan was originally

    60min V.Easy | 4X8min Threshold | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 10k MP | 15K Easy | Rest/Cross

    But with streets of Galway next weekend, I thought it would be easier to swap this step back weekend for next weeks as it would be easier to do a 15K on Sunday after Galway than a 23K so I decided to change my plan to:

    60min V.Easy | 4X8min Threshold | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 12k MP | 23K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 10K (6:16/km)

    60 mins was on the plan but I met up with some people looking to do 10K. I'd normally do ~9.5K in these 60 mins so was happy enough to just do the 10k

    Lots of DIY all day as I'm off work

    Tuesday: ~2k wu, 4 x 8 min threshold with 4 min recovery, ~2k cd (13.48K at 5:50 /km)

    Still unsure of what time to be aiming for Galway, I decide if 40 mins is on the cards at all I should be aiming to these threshold sections at 5:00/km pace.

    And I did, Avg pace for the 4 sections: 5:00, 5:00, 4:59, 5:00. Never have I so accurately paced myself!

    Managed a 10K PB in there somewhere too (55:14), although I don't believe I've ever actually raced a 10k

    Fitness wise I felt pretty good, but I was feeling it in my legs on the CD.

    More DIY all day.

    Wednesday: 60 min "easy" (9.08KM at 6:36/km)

    Felt leggy after Tuesdays session so I really eased back. Started to feel ok again after a few KM. But definitely looking forward to a rest day!

    Not able to do another full day of DIY so I take it fairly easy.

    Thursday: Rest from running. Lots of jobs around the house.

    Friday: 1.5K wu, 12K at MP, 0.5k cd (14KM at 5:57/km)

    Pacing not so good on this one, was consistently 5:45/km at MP section. Felt if I relaxed at all I was going too slow, felt if I pushed on at all I was going too fast. Something to work on for sure!

    Saturday: 23K Easy (6:09/km)

    Another hodge podge of loops.

    Did 4k on my own, did these at my typical 6:25/km kind of pace

    Did 5k with a couple of people, these were quite fast for some reason, 5:50/km, I felt pretty good during them though

    And then did the final 14K with one of the people. Picked a relatively hilly route. Average pace for these was around the 6:10/km mark.

    I felt pretty good after it. Despite the generally quicker pace, my average HR was only 154. I would consider anything under 150 "easy" for me

    First time running a half in a while. 2nd fastest HM time apparently. But a lot of my HM times are not very good!

    Did about 4 hours of weeding the patio when we got home, the perfect recovery activity after runnings for over 2 hours!

    Summary: Just under 70Km for the week. Only a couple of K from the most I've ever ran in a week. Generally feeling pretty good. I think my muscles were a lot sorer last year. When I'm looking forward to rest days its nearly as much not having to get up as early im looking forward to rather than the running! I can definitely feel the difference in how tired I am when I pick up the pace though.

    Streets of Galway is this week, 8K that I'm going to try go for a sub 40 mins. I think its possible for me, but I don't have a lot of experience going sub 5:00/km, so hoping my body holds up! It being an evening race also is unusual for me, so we'll see how it goes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting August 5th - 44K for the week

    Weight: 84.6KG On Sunday morning (Down 1kg). I was pretty good with food again this week, but I don't think the 1kg is really reflective of the week itself, its probably a bit of averaging out from previous weeks. I'll take it etiher way!

    Plan: Week 6 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    Plan at the start of the week modified for Streets of galway

    60min V.Easy | 60 min moderate | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 5k Shake out | 8k Streets of Galway | 15K Easy

    Monday: 60 min easy (9.51KM at 6:20/km)

    Got absolutely soaked, which surprisingly doesn't happen to me that often considered the frequency I run. I actually don't mind it too much though!

    Tuesday: Easy 85 Mins (12.86K at 6:36 /km)

    The plan had 60 min moderate, but my legs are feeling a bit tight and I know I have some racing to do. With Wu and CD for the moderate pace, this was a shorter run than planned.

    Wednesday: 60 min easy (9.32KM at 6:31/km)

    Thursday: Rest from running. Had to do a bit of driving in the morning. In the evening my left foot was suffering from PF a small bit. Not terrible though.

    The runners I used on wednesday are up on 600KM at this stage so may have contributed to the PF, it may be time to move on from them. I bought a couple of pairs of Puma runners in the last few weeks to bring into rotation when the time was needed, first time moving away from Asics Novablast in about 18 months. They might be coming in sooner rather than later!

    Friday: 5k Shake out (6:22/km)

    The run felt quite difficult for the pace I was doing, didn't fill me with confidence for the next day. Calves are still a bit tight but the PF has eased off a little.

    Saturday - Streets of Galway

    • Pre Race

    Strange to have a lie in on a Saturday morning, didn't get up til a wild 8:30! I don't really run in the evenings at all so kind of hard to know what to do with myself for the day. We still have a lot of work to do in the house so did some more of that, which isn't really ideal pre-run prep!

    Was a little later getting to Galway than I wanted to be and then struggled to find parking. I was meeting some people from work who had picked up my bib so did a bit of a jog to meet them but by the time I met up with them we basically had to go straight to the start line so my pre-race prep was not ideal!

    My goal was 40 minutes, but seeing as that requires me to run 8K at a faster pace than I've ever ran even a 5k it was ambitious, but something I felt I could probably achieve with the right circumstances, but my legs don't feel 100% and my prep was not exactly ideal, I'm really not sure it's on the cards.

    • Race: 

    Was unable to make myself up to where the pacers were so I was starting near the back, so the first KM was crazy congested, I did my best to make my way up the field, even using the paths a few times. TBH it wasn't til maybe 4k in before it really spread out to the point it was no mental effort to progress.

    I missed the lap time on my watch for 1KM but I knew it wasn't fast so if I wanted to go for this magically 40 minutes I'd have a bit of work to do, so I tried picking up the pace a bit and make sure my average pace is below 5:00/km

    Even by the time we got to NUIG (or whatever its called now), about 3k in, I was feeling it. It was quite hot, and my HR was pretty high already (over 180), wasn't sure I had another 5k of this in me. But I decide to start the mind games early and say I'll just keep up the pace til 5k, there is a water stop there and would be nice to take my 5k PB time that I set on a random run 9 years ago! So thats my target.

    When I hit 5k on my watch just before the water stop it looked like I probably bet my 5k PB so that was nice. I grab a bottle of water and take a couple of sips which was welcome, throw some over my head and bin the bottle,

    I remember from when I did the streets of galway back in 2015 that there is a downhill at lesuire land between the water station and salthill, so I convince myself I'll keep pushing til 6K and see how its going. My calves are feeling ok, but I have a small bit of discomfort in my left thigh, but its ok.

    I get to 6k and definitely really feeling it. I continue with the mind games and say I'll try keep the pace up til 7K. Around this time a women in an Ahtlone top passed me out and I decide she's looking strong I'll try the imaginery rubber band trick with her, where I keep up with her to no allow this band to snap.

    I get to 7K and my watch showed my lap time of sub 5 and it gives me a bit of motivation that even though im really feeling it, I'm still keeping the time up. I keep trying to keep this rubber band from snapping and its going ok.

    Not related to my race, but it was around this time someone seem to run into medical issues in front of me. I'm not 100% sure what happened to them, They were still on their feet I think by the time I passed but there was at least one runner with him and the volunteers at the race had kicked into gear and I could see them on the phone. I have no medical experience or even first aid skills so I'm pretty certain there would have been absolutely nothing I could do, but I still feel bad for just running past it. Hope the guy is ok.

    The layout of the route has the final section with a turn to the right maybe 100M from the finish, but you can see the finish line from a long way out, which I found a big motivating factor! At the 400M to go sign, I look at my watch and see I have just over 2 minutes to come under time so still possible. When I get to the corner I went all out and I was really able pick up the pace which I was honestly a little surprised about.

    • Result

    Watch: 39:59
    Gun: 39:57


    The race clock was showing 42 something, but I knew I crossed the start line well after the gun. I stopped my watch after the line, 39:59, cutting it tight! Chip time was 39:57, also tight! But I'm absolutely gassed afterward so don't think I had any more to give.

    Was the Fastest 5k Ive done (24:13), even the fastest KM i've done (4:36)

    Splits:
    1: 5:34
    2: 4:59
    3: 4:42
    4: 4:53
    5: 4:54
    6: 4:57
    7: 4:56
    8: 4:46
    0.1: 2:55

    I don't know if there is a difference but I was more proud of myself for putting in the work to make this happen than being delighted with the result itself.

    Went back to someone from works house that lived nearby and they had some food for the runners, which was very generous of them as it was an open invite to a relatively large company! And drove home afterwards.

    Sunday:

    I had planned to do my 15K run but I didn't want to attempt it first thing in the morning as it would have been too close to the race the night before. I ended up being too busy with different jobs to be able to go for the run at all, but I probably was better off not running anyways as my legs are quite tired and my PF is unsurprisingly a bit worse.

    I think my ideal day would have been lots of rest and a short recovery run in the evening, but life disagreed.

    Gave myself a session with the massage gun in the evening.


    Summary:

    I think the race on Saturday shows I've made good progress so despite, missing some runs or changing runs from the plan, im not too worried about it. The most important thing for me now is to get back on track with easy running and get on top of the PF again.

    Tullamore Half is in 3 weeks time, so have to pick up the pace one more time! I need to figure out what I want to target for this pace wise. Probably sub 2 anyways, that would be a PB on a race distance I actually did try race during my fittest portion of last year so it would definitely be good progress.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭theintern


    Great running in the streets, fair play! You knew you'd done the training so that probably helped you get keep pushing onwards when you were playing the mental games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting Aug 12th - 64K for the week

    Weight: 85.5KG this morning (up 0.9kg). Not great this week, was away on trips a few days, had a kids party etc. I definitely didn't do the dog on it but not surprised to be up. Going to try be fairly strict this week cause I think the closer I can get to 80kg the better.

    Plan: Week 7 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 80min Easy | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 12k | 24K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 5K recovery (6:41/km)

    Legs still pretty sore after Streets of Galway and a busy weekend of DIY, so I decide a 5k recovery run would be more benificial than the planned 60 minute easy. PF from last week is a bit worse after SoG, but feels fine when running.

    Tuesday: 60 min Very Easy (9.06KM at 6:37/km)

    TL;DR: didn't get to go on the planned 80 minute run in the morning due to a broken fridge of all things. Had an hour and half to fit a run in between work and some other meeting later in the evening, so I did wednesday's 60 min instead.

    PF easing off thankfully. I think once I'm not doing stuff at pace, it is manageable.

    Wednesday: 80 min easy (12.38KM at 6:29/km)

    Was off work today so didnt have to go out as early, so did Tuesdays session. Was quite warm and my legs are still a bit tired.

    Didn't track any activity later but most have walked 10k between the zoo and Ikea later in the afternoon judging by my steps.

    Thursday: Rest from running. But day trip to galway so did a decent amount of walking

    Friday: 12K Easy (6:44/km)

    Legs are feeling much better, PF is basically gone. But im bloody exhausted! It was hard to get up to do this run!

    Saturday: 26K Easy (6:23/km)

    Some of the people in the group were doing 26k so I said I'd just do that loop with them as 2k is not going to make a huge difference

    Did 10K with a group before meeting up with the wider group and doing the last 16k.

    First 10k was at a fairly decent pace (6:10 ish)
    There was someone who started with the 16k who was doing a 6:30 pace, so I decided i'd join him to keep him company and thats probably the pace I would be doing this if I was running on my own anyways.

    I did most of the 16k with him. until we caught up with one of the faster group on her own with about 4 left. I said I'd check to see was she alright, but she picked up the pace again so I had to really kick up the pace to catch her and just finished the last couple of K with her.

    Felt good during this run, could have kept going. Just as well I felt ok cause I had a kids birthday party to deal with afterwards! Felt fine til about 5 o'clock where I just felt very sleepy!

    Sunday: Rest from running, didn't do a whole lot.

    Summary: 64Km for the week.

    PF fully gone or at least not cropping up so happy that even with a week of decent mileage I was able to get on top of it.

    I'm finding the running fine at the moment, I'm almost certainly in the best shape I've ever been in, but definitely struggling with the time commitment of it. It's been a busy few weeks at home and it's certainly been a big challenge to try squeeze the runs in, especially as my shortest runs are 60 minutes long (plus getting ready, showering etc) Hopefully life will clear up a bit!

    I've also been having potentially bad thoughts about my Marathon pace. I saw the mcmillon pace calculator being mentioned in the novice thread and I was curious what my 8k time translates to, apparently sub 4…

    I know 8ks and marathons are not really comparable, so I shouldn't get too excited, but it is interesting. Tullamore is in a couple of week, I think I might reverse engineer a 4 hour marathon time into figuring out what to target for the half (I suppose sub 1:55) to see is it a silly thought or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    1.45 to 1.49 and you won't be far off. Best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting Aug 19th - 31K for the week

    Weight: 85.7KG this morning (up 0.2kg). Definitely not a good week food wise. It was a busy week with a large gathering being hosted at the house here. Back on the horse this week.

    Plan: Week 8 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 5x5 CV | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 13k at MP | 28K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 60 min easy (9.34 at 6:30/km)

    Feeling good, nothing to report during the run.

    Needed to go into the office for the day and starting in the morning I could feel my left calf being warm. Like I rubbed deep heat on it or got sunburnt. I thought maybe it was just rubbing off my jeans funny or something so I didn't think much of it.

    Tuesday: ~2k wu, 5 x5 min CV + 4 min rec, ~2k CD (12.7KM at 5:53/km)

    First thing, whats CV!? Apparently its your pace for a 30 minute race. I said it should be faster than Galway anyways which was sub 5, so I said I'd target 4:30

    But I just didn't feel like I was really able to push, no pain or anything just couldn't get into a good rhythm. Probably did 4:45 pace ones, so not awful or anything.

    Warm feeling in my calf was there before run and there after, definitely something up but I've no idea what. Usually DR google can give some indication of what might be up, but I wouldn't describe what im having as a burning sensation, and thats all that google throws up

    Wednesday: 60 min easy (9.18KM at 6:39/km)

    Met up with someone from the group who hadn't run in a while. Although I was finding a bit harder effort than usual too.

    Warm calf still there. Doesn't seem to be impacting me when I wake up, but its definitely there even before running. I decide I need to get this sorted as random body parts don't just get warm for days for no reason. Unsure if its a physio or DR job, so I decide to go to the DR as some of the google results were blood clots etc.

    By some form of miracle they see me that morning. DR doesn't do a huge amount, asks if I have any pain anywhere, checks my HR and BP and said they were normal. Kind of doesn't know what it is but prescribes anti inflamotory gel and says to rest for a while.

    Not really what I wanted to hear, I'm ok with resting if there is a reason to, but for it to be "I dont know but sure rest for a while" isn't ideal! My wife says to see the pyhsio so I book in for the next day

    Thursday: Physio identifies my calf and hamstring on my left leg are tight and a bit of an imbalance in the strength of my different muscles (I'm a bit hairy on the exact explanation of this, so I might be describing it wrong) He said it wasn't bad but he gave some exercise to work on it. He thinks the heat might be caused by muscles rubbing off a nerve or something.

    Got dry needling for the first time. Was weird. Felt ok after but after driving home it really kicked in, felt like someone had given me a kick in the calf!

    Physio said to rest over the weekend and ease back into it. I asked about racing Tullamore and he recommended just using it as a training run. Kind of frustrating as it was my last pace setter for Dublin. Although I think sub 1:50 was a bit ambitious anyways, but would have given it a go at least!

    Summary: 31Km for the week.

    First week not running at least 5 times in about 4 months. Oh well. Actually missed the long run at the weekend, was happy to get back out running again this morning.

    The warmness is definitely not as present as it was, but probably still there a little.

    I was thinking this morning that I might need to be a little bit more selfish with my weekends for the next few weeks in terms of recovery after long runs. I'm stronger this year, absolutely no doubt, but it means I'm not an absolute write off like I would have been after runs last year, but I'm probably doing too much afterwards and not recovering properly.

    Life should be a little quieter for the moment so hopefully get back into it without issue.

    I would have been devastated with having to miss a few days last year, but feeling ok about it. Just hoping thats the last of it though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting Aug 26th - Half Marathon Race week

    Weight: 85.4KG this morning (down 0.3kg). Another very average week food wise. We have fallen out of routine massively at home with even shopping so dinners are often a scramble. Kids are back to school this week, so we are swearing a new leaf… lets see what my update from next week says.

    For the first time in 4 months I did not even try track my food on Saturday and Sunday. That makes it sound like I went off the deep end, I didn't (really), Saturday I had a couple of bits including a big 99 on the way home from Tullamore, but I was at a christening Sunday and had some of the food that was there and had no idea what calories any of it was so I just said I'd not bother. Didn't even have desert or anything so it was nothing bad.

    Plan: Week 9 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    45min V.Easy | 60 mins moderate | 45 min V.Easy | Rest | 4k Easy | Tullamore Half | Rest/Cross

    Bit of a mini taper this week for the Half on Saturday.

    Monday: 45 min easy (7:09 at 6:25/km)

    First time running since previous Wednesday. Went out with a few from the group. Calf felt fine, it would be lie if I said the warm feeling had totally gone, but it definitely wasn't as warm or anyways constant like it was last week.

    Tuesday: 60 mins easy-ish (9.64KM at 6:17/km)

    60 mins moderate on the plan, but that would require an extra 4k of warm up and cool down, and I was told to east back into this week by the physio so I just decide to run it fairly easy. Felt fine.

    Wednesday: 45 min easy (7.34KM at 6:12/km)

    Met up with someone from the group again. They wouldn't be as strong of a runner as me, but I think they are a bit nervous about holding people back so they tend to run a bit quick! So despite me trying to settle the pace a few times we probably went a bit fast. Felt fine again.

    Thursday: Rest from running. Went for a short walk with the kids (2k). Left foot is a little tired today, so I think Wednesdays runners, which have at least 600km on them, are in need of retiring. Or at least I didn't get similar pains any other days, including after the half, so may as well move on from them.

    Friday: 5k Easy (6:22/km)

    Just a pre run shake out run. Felt alright, not amazing. Sort of typical at this stage for some reason!

    Saturday: Tullamore Half Marathon

    Goal: Sub 2 hours, but feel like I had more in the tank

    Result: 1:59:36 (but did not have more in the tank)

    Plan: Go with the 2 hour pacers. Physio instructions were not to go all out so I thought 2 hours would be a good goal to go for as I thought 1:55 was achievable. Sub 2 is a nice round number and would still give me a half PB. It's warm too so not going all out was probably not a bad thing anyways.

    Race: Started behind the 2 hour pacers for maybe the first 4k, but I was really not enjoying the traffic, there was a lot of slowing down and making sure to not be bumping into people. I was looking at the clear road in front of the pacers and thinking that looked a bit nicer, so decided I'd overtake the group and run in that for a while. Was much better. Settled into a comfortable pace and was feeling ok.

    I know I didn't feel this way for the entire run up to this point, but around the 11/12k mark I was absolutely loving life. I knew I was ahead of time, but I was feeling good. Was passing out plenty of people. And I was genuinely thinking, I'm getting the hang of this running craic!

    Unfortunately that feeling didn't last! Around 14/15k in I could feel things getting a bit harder. I was also wondering why I wasn't sweating that much. I usually sweat even thinking about running and I was a bit confused why I wasn't a sweaty mess in the heat. I felt I had hydrated well all week, especially Friday.

    I know I have plenty of time so I decide I need to slow it down a little. This is the part im most disappointed with my run on Saturday. I know slowing down is probably for the best, I decide I should slow down, but retrospectively looking at my times, I didn't really, or at least nothing significant.

    Probably around 17k or so I take my first walk break, I just couldn't keep it going. Nothing too long and I get going again, But looking at my pace chart on Garmin, I took 4. My exact memory of the order of things happening is not amazing!

    A few people really dragged me to the end if I'm being honest. One fella from the local club passed me out around 18k or so and had a few words of encouragement as he ran past the walking me. The first 2 hour pacer tried to drag me along a bit too, the 2nd 2 hour pacer also did. But a random runner I think was the motivational MVP, she said "Come on ballinasloe, I've been tracking behind you from the start, you can't let me beat you". I wasn't worried about beating her or not, but I decide she's who im sticking with from here on in.

    I also had a virtual pick me up before the race: "Best of luck today, sub 2 all day long" was a message I got from one of the people in your run group in a whatsapp group we have, this echo'd in my mind every time I was trying to get back going again. I didn't want to let this 2 hour goal go.

    I feel like im running about 2 miles per hour, and just plodding along the best I can, but even with the walking breaks, my times aren't awful. One was 6:25, that had a bit of an uphill, but the rest were sub 6.

    It felt like the longest finish to a run ever to be honest, seeing people turning into the harriers, and then having to get to the stadium entrance thing and then having to do basically a lap of the track. I was very ready for it be done. I kind of had visions of a strong finish around the track in my early plans, but my current plans are survive!

    I picked it up a tiny bit on the final straight, I try to encourage my motivational buddy to finish strong too but I ended up passing her out.

    Post Race:

    I went to the left after the finish line to take a sit down on the grass. It was over near the first aid tent (not my original plan by going that way) and there was a good few people in a lot worse shape than me, including people being stretchered away so im guessing the heat was taking its toll. There were plenty of first aiders and they seemed really on top of everything. The race was really well organised in fairness to it.

    I generally wasn't too bad but felt a little bit faint when I got back up. The tent were giving out little cups of coke so I took one of them to see if it would help.

    I didn't feel too bad and went to go to the actual exit which was the other side of the finish line, and as I was I saw an older man trip over another runner and fall hard on his front and stay down for a few seconds so I went over to help him. I knew he wasn't in too bad of shape when I saw him, while still flat on his stomach, reach up and stop his watch, what a pro!

    I brought him over towards the first aid tent to have a sit down. Had a good chat with him for a bit. Fella is nearly double my age and still doing decent half marathons! Pretty inspirational to be honest. He said his goodbyes and I stood up and felt very very faint, so I decide to sit back down and just stay near the tent for another bit. I'd say I was a good 20 minutes in an around the tent just trying to recover.

    Met up with the other two people from my local run group and we had a cup of tea and a snack. Eventually left about an hour and 20 minutes after I crossed the finish line. I needed that that time to recover anyways before driving, but it also coincided with the roads being back open so it probably made sense to to wait anyways

    Conclusion:

    ~5 minute half PB on a very warm day, definitely not to be sniffed at, but to be honest, still a small bit disappointed. Not disappointed with the result or even that I couldn't keep up the first 15k pace til the end, just with my race management, that I couldn't reign in the pace a bit and finish it out without getting to the point I was at.

    Probably the worst I've felt after a race. I've been more tired, i've been way more sore, but I've never felt faint like that before. Just as well I wasn't aiming for a faster time to begin with.

    But look, its all good experience. I have been using my drink as a carb source this year and it has mostly been working well, but maybe on the hotter days its not a good idea, As i did feel I was rationing my drink at times to not be overloading on carbs.

    My previous half marathon PB of 2:04:xx was by far my best performance in a run last year, and to be able to beat that by 5 minutes on not my best day is a big show of progress.

    Some take aways:

    1. Throw out any thoughts of a sub 4:00 marathon. I'm not there.
    2. Get back to losing weight. It is by far the best way for me to increase performance, but more than that, I need to be not over weight any more. Last year before the marathon my Dad had an issue with his heart, and a similar issue has cropped up again for him in the last few weeks. Not anywhere near as severe but his consultant was very clear about losing weight, my Dad is probably similar to me in terms of his weight relative to his height (maybe a little heavier than me). I've literally been varying degrees of over weight since a teenager, some periods better than others, but always at least a little over weight. I'm able bodied and don't have any excuses!

    I only have 3 proper long runs left til Dublin, this weeks 29k, a 32k two weeks after and another 2 weeks after that, taper and then Dublin. The rest are 21k are below. Feels like the final few hurdles. Just need to focus for the next 8 weeks on eating right and recovery and do the best I can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting Sep 2nd - 74K for the week

    Weight: 84.4KG this morning (Down 1kg). Very strict with calories this week, and basically no wasted calories (snacks other than fruit) but definitely over did it early on in the week as I wasn't feeling great. Increased it a bit before the end of the week to try fuel for the long run. Long run was just about ok but I didn't feel great for the rest of the weekend, so despite a good movement on the scales, and this being a lighter week mileage wise, I can't repeat the same again. Will increase calories a bit and see how I feel.

    I'll include the calories eaten each day for this week, but as mentioned above, this was not enough calories so I don't recommend doing this.

    Plan: Week 10 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 80min Easy | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 13k Easy | 29K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: 10k (6:11/km)

    Met up with someone from the group and did 10k. Legs a little tired from Tullamore but not too bad.

    1600 calories

    Tuesday: 80 Min Easy (12.3KM at 6:29/km)

    Probably the worst I've felt after an easy run in a long time. Really tired and just lacking in energy. In hindsight I didn't eat enough on Monday.

    1500 calories (what was I thinking!?)

    Wednesday: 60 min easy (9.41KM at 6:24/km)

    More of the same as the day before. It's absolutely crazy the difference between running well fuelled and not.

    1800 Calories

    Thursday: Rest

    2000 Calories - attempting to fuel a bit for the weekends runs

    Friday: 13k Easy (6:25/km)

    Much better feeling compared to earlier in the week.

    2400 Calories - Specifically trying to add more carbs

    Saturday: 29k Easy (6:28/km, 3:08 of running)

    Getting into the serious mileage now!

    Generally felt good til maybe the last 4 or 5k, where it started getting harder the last 2 were particularly tough. But it was a hilly route (285 m elevation gain, Dublin is 199 according to my strava from last year) on a warm day, with questionable fuelling for the week so probably unsurprising.

    I took close to 4 gels for this, 1 Sis gel around 9k in, 1 Decathlon +caffine gel around 18k and 40g of SIS carb drink spread out amongst the run. Ate 4 cola bottles about 12k in. in-run fuelling felt pretty good for this run, or at least didn't notice any negative effects of taking that much, I can't handle 4 actual gels.

    Probably not something I need to worry about for Dublin, but I do think my strategy of hydration needs to be revisited for warmer days. We left out a couple of water stops on this run, but maybe im not taking enough.

    Was absolutely shattered after this run, didn't have another 13k in me for certain!

    2600 Calories

    Sunday: Rest. Went for a walk in a local woods with the kids. The eldest has learned how to cycle over the weekend so it might be a fun activity to go for a run with her!

    Generally felt fairly terrible (groggy) Legs feel pretty good though.

    2800 Calories - Assuming I didn't eat enough on Saturday which is causing me to not feel good. Even had some homemade apple and blackberry tart + ice cream, the one snacky thing I've had all week!

    Summary: 74Km for the week, the most I've ever ran in week.

    I think most of my summarisation of the week is probably covered in the rest of the update, definitely too hard on the calories. Will tweak it up a bit to try get a better balance, because there is definitely something between what I was doing 2 weeks ago and what I did last week that should work for me!

    It's weird to be planning basically the rest of the weeks before the Marathon now. I also have a work trip to the US in a few weeks, so gotta bring my runners :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    Hey Witness,

    you're doing great! Do you mind me asking why you're restricting calories? Like not in general, weight loss obvs, but why during marathon training? Surely that's absolute torture for you pal. Could you incorporate some strength training instead (if not already doing) so as to shift some weight to muscle? I just couldn't imagine watching my calories during a marathon training block, but maybe that's just me. Fair play if it's working for you, and I'm only asking out of friendly concern. Don't discuss if you don't want to :)

    MM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Hey, no worries at all!

    You can't run from a bad diet

    Truer words have never been spoken! I've lost a good bit of weight since April, mainly through calorie counting (and of course running helps) and with the start of marathon training I eased back on the calorie counting and my weight has been pretty stagnant.

    I had a couple of things coincicde last week that kind of lit the fire underneath me again with it, but I over swung the pendulum last week for sure. I ran this morning and felt great, so will definitely be a bit more forgiving this week.

    For selfish running reasons: I found the half race the weekend before last much harder than I thought it should have been.

    Similar to yourself, I've had a pretty great summer in terms of setting pbs etc, and the half was one too, I put that down to weight for me though, I'm nearly 10kg lighter than last year, and it feels like leaving performance on the table if I'm not really focusing on what I'm eating. I had a target of 80kg by the marathon, I'm not sure if it's still realistic, but I should be getting closer to it.

    The more long term reasons: I've been overweight basically my entire adult life. I'm in the best shape of my life I'd say, but I'm still a stone+ overweight. My Dad is having some relatively minor health issues at the moment and his doctor didn't beat around the bush and blamed his weight, he's probably similarly overweight to me based on his height. I've got kids and I've no excuses to not get myself into decent shape to give myself the best chance of being healthy for longer for them.

    I definitely should incorporate s&c type stuff, but at this stage it will probably be a post marathon thing cause I don't think I'd fit it in time wise, it's definitely the thing I'm struggling the most with this training plan is time management of everything!

    Hope your training is going well!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    Yeh, I hear you on the S&C. That side of things is a whole new world to me and I haven't managed to incorporate it just yet. Being honest, I could if I wanted to, and I could do with losing a pound or two too, but as there's no accountability with it right now (I'm not in a gym, or with a trainer, and no documented plan) I've let it completely slide.

    Just on the comparison with your dad, be mindful to acknowledge how fit you are, out running most days, your dad probably isn't doing that, or certainly not as much as you, so anything that's going on with his health isn't necessarily a reflection of where you'll be when you reach his age, even if you're in the same weight range. Remember you're an athlete aiming for a sub 4 marathon (whether it happens or not is irrelevant - you're putting in that level of training and commitment for weeks and weeks) so fuel fuel fuel, and sack off the calorie restricting until post marathon celebrations! I know you're' not looking for advice but it's just my €0.02c 😉

    My training is going well - got absolutely lashed on this morning doing a session but it was truly lovely and kept me on my toes!

    MM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭crisco10


    It's probably worth noting as well that marathon training is changing your body shape. So although, your weight might be stagnant, I'm sure you have dropped fat and replaced it with muscle (and muscle weighs more than fat for a given volume!). Particularly if you are overweight, then your muscles need to get bigger to carry your body around a marathon plan!

    I'm lucky enough to be a relative whippet (~62kgs), but my weight regularly goes UP a few Kgs during intense training cycles. And I know myself its not because of excessive food consumption - its because of the adaptions to the training in my body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    I've definitely got more muscley for sure, obviously the legs, but the surprising one is my arms, I've somehow now have biceps, from running...

    I've been much more reasonable with limiting food this week and feel great so far so hopefully this is a better balance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting Sep 9th - 66K for the week

    Weight: 83KG Sunday morning and 83.6KG this morning (So down ~1kg). Including the two just because it really depends on the time of day etc. I definitely didn't actually put on over half a KG on Sunday. Was good week, definitely not as strict as last week and felt better for it.

    Plan: Week 11 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    60min V.Easy | 30min Tempo | 60 min V.Easy | Rest | 13k MP | 21K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: Easy 60 mins (6:19/km)

    I was sleepy tired, but I felt great. Perfect weather for running!

    Tuesday: 30 Min Tempo, ~2k wu and 2k cd (10.4K total at 5:38/km)

    Never did a tempo run before so was unsure what a tempo run was! First google result was slightly faster than 10k pace, so I aimed for my 8k pace from Streets of Galway (sub 5:00/km)

    It was a bit of a push to keep it up for 6k but felt pretty good afterwards so I had more in the tank for sure. I think my biggest worry about DCM is the mental aspect, so having a few sessions thats a push is probably no harm!

    Wednesday: 60 min easy (9.48KM at 6:22/km)

    Had to get up super early to get back to help with the school runs as there has been challenges in the morning since they went back! Too dark to run from the house so went to the local 4.5K loop which is all paths and lights and did two

    Thursday: Rest

    Friday: 13k at MP, 1k WU and 1K CD (Overall 5:55/km)

    Aiming for just sub 6 mins /km, felt pretty decent, hard to imagine I need to run more than 3 of them though..

    Saturday: 21k Not really that Easy (6:03/km)

    Just out with the group and the pace was fairly fast, I felt mostly pretty good. I guess this ended up being a MP pace HM, I wouldn't have been able to do a second one immediately after! Hopefully with fresh legs it will be a bit easier!

    Sunday: Rest, just working around the house and dropping kids everywhere!

    2800 Calories -

    Summary: 66Km for the week.

    Felt much better this week so it was a much better balance of eatings etc. Feeling pretty good, but would be lieing if I said I wasn't counting down the weeks at this stage, I've been finding the 7-8 hours a week most weeks challenging to just fit everything in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Another Double header!

    Week Starting Sep 16th & Week starting 23rd - 36K & 77K for the weeks

    Weight: 84.4KG Monday morning (So up ~1kg). Food wasn't great for the first week. I was off work as we had some friends staying with us, was also sick which tends to make me eat a bit more! A also had a fasle dawn of a carb loading which probably didn't help!

    Plan: The plan was a little out the window to begin with as I was due to do 20 miles on the first Saturday, but I was moving it to the Friday cause we were busy Saturday, but this didn't work out as planned

    Monday: Easy 10k (5:57km)

    Ran with someone from the group who likes to go a little faster than I usually would, felt ok despite the quicker pace

    Tuesday: 7K a little bit more than easy (5:49/km)

    I was due to me off work today, but Sonia O'Sullivan was organised to give a talk in work and do a warm up, so I decided to give back my day off and go up. Sonia was very entertaining and it was interesting. Not sure she's a huge believer in the modern methods for warming up as it was mostly static stretches!

    Again ended up running with a couple of people who I guess are faster than I usually go, but again it was alright, I was chatting with them the whole way around so it wasn't pushing too hard or anything.

    Wednesday: 60 min easy (9.68KM at 6:14/km)

    On my own again so I can set the pace a bit more!

    Thursday: Rest and Carb up for tomorrow!

    Friday: 20 mile planned but in the middle of the night friday morning I wake up with a sore throat. Sore to even swallow so not great. Take some tablets and go back to bed. Get up at 5 as planned but it hasn't gone away so I send my apologies to the people im meant to be running with and go back to bed. I think this is probably my first time to flake out of a run on people, but I hate to do it! If it was a 10k or something I probably would have chanced it, but 3+ hours of running, no way.

    I give myself a deadline of EOD Monday to do this or I wont go chasing it.

    Saturday: Still have a head cold but the sore throat is gone. Rest from running. But went on a trip to Galway with out guests. Must have walked 12K or so judging by my steps

    Sunday: 60 min easy (9.43KM at 6:25/km)

    Sill a bit of a cold, but I said I'd test the waters to see how I feel during a run. Felt fine so this gives the green light for tomorrow.

    Carb load again for tomorrow with lots of pizza

    Week 2

    Monday: 33k (6:29/km, running for 3:34)

    Still a little unsure how it will go, plus its a Monday morning with the traffic that comes with that (not that there is much traffic around Ballinasloe) so I decide to do 3 10k loops thats relatively quite, adding a little extra in the middle to bring up the distance. Doing the loops means I don't need to leave out water anywhere and if I'm not feeling it I can cut it short.

    I don't think carb loading with pizza agrees with me as I was little blocked up in the morning, and after basically the first 10k loop I was less blocked up, so I think for one of the first times ever on a training run, I needed to make a unscheduled pitstop in a Garage. About 27K in I also got the feeling I needed to go again, but I was 3 or 4k away from the garage. It was that bad that I was considering calling into a random house! As a standard milenial, I don't even like phoning the take away so doing something like this would be hell for me, but I would take it over the alternative! But thankfully the feeling cleared after a K or so.

    The run itself other than that was pretty uneventful. Felt pretty good for most of it. Kept my heart rate way down for the majority of it, but it started to creep up a little for the last 10k or so. Nothing major at all, just I was keeping it sub 150 and it started to go up above that.

    I saw on the Dublin Marathon plan about doing 32k run with doing the last 2k as MP, and I liked the idea of that, so at 30K, I decided try go sub 6:00 pace and I was able to do it fine. When I reached 32K, I was still a decent chunk from the car, so I decided I'd go back to a easy pace and run back. So I did 33K in total.

    I felt pretty good after this, well considering I just ran for 3 and half hours. I could have done another 10K if I had to. Funnily enough the thing that was bothering me the most at the end of the run was my shoulders were pretty sore. So something I'll try to focus on a bit more on the next 20mile run.

    Fuel wise I took:

    • 1 gel every 7k (3 regular and 1 caffeine one at the end, although I don't notice any difference. FYI I think the decathlon caffeine gel in lemon flavour is not nice!)
    • A sip of a carb drink every 2k (in total I took about 500ml)
    • 2 Cola bottles and a fastchew salt tab every 5k

    Thats probably the equivalent of 7 gels, which seems like a lot of fuel, but stomach wise I felt good. I am super concious of the fact I hit the wall last year, I have changed up my fuel (I mainly use SIS gels now) and fuelling methods (reducing gels and adding the carb drink and cola bottles) and it seems to be suiting much better. I would start to feel a bit sick after 3 or 4 gels last year.

    I blame the pizza for the 27k feeling!

    For what its worth, I kind of like the mental maths/distraction of them coming at different intervals.

    Legs obviously a little sore after this, but generally I felt pretty good.

    Tuesday: Rest

    Wednesday: Easy 10k (6:10km)

    Joined up with someone from the run group again, this time in the evening as I had to do fasting bloods in the morning (for the warm calf incident from a few weeks ago, which hasnt been a problem since)

    Felt good during this run.

    Friday: Easy 13k (6:14km)

    After a few days of the runs being all over the place, finally getting back to scheduled runs!

    Really cold this morning, even broke out arm sleeves in case I need them for DCM. I just have some cheap pairs (5 pairs for £10 on amazon or something) They are handy for the first few K while your warming up, and after that you can roll them down and almost wear them as sweat bands, or you could even discard them on the day seeing as they are only £2 each or whatever!

    Didn't find this run hard but it just seemed like a bit of a slog.

    Saturday: Easy 20k (6:01km)

    Got up super early to do 4K before joining a group of people who were doing 6k before joining an even bigger group of people who were doing 10k :D

    The 10K crowd were going too fast for me to call it easy so I pulled it back and they just kept getting further and further way. They must have been doing my 10K race pace by the end of it!

    Nothing major to report on it, felt decent again.

    Busy enough day with the kids after that as my wife was gone away.

    Sunday: rest

    Summary: 36Km and 77KM for the 2 weeks.

    I feel I've really been scrambling with the runs and plans for these two weeks especially but I think I'm still hitting the major parts of the plans and giving myself enough recovery when needed so im not too worried about it.

    That 77K is the most I've ran in a week, and if you go Sunday to Saturday, that 7 day period was 87K, So I'm feeling decent about it.

    Happy with how the 33K went, I have been feeling in a kind of a weird place with my running for the last few weeks where the half in Tullamore and the 28k were tough, so it was nice to get one that went well again.

    The scrambling doesn't stop for the next couple of weeks either as I'm traveling to the US for work soon enough so definitely will be juggling around days again. Will possibly have to do some of my runs on a treadmill too which im not really looking forward to, but I'll probably be awake super early anyways and it wont be bright enough for me to run safely anywhere else!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Nice work to squeeze in that LSR.

    Not sure where you are going in US, but I frequently go to East Coast for work. Defp agree that the best way to keep running on track is to not fully commit to US timezone and go with it when your body clock wakes you at 530am.

    I just found I was always wrecked in the evenings, so a lot harder to get out then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Another Double header, hopefully the last one!

    Week Starting Sep 30th & Week starting Oct 7th - 62K & 55K for the weeks

    Weight: Who knows! Sunday morning I was 85KG at one point, but also 83.6KG after my run. I had been travelling in the US last week so I was a bit all over the place, but I think it went ok.

    Plan: Again, plan a little bit out of the window as I was travelling for work, but I definitely got most of it done.

    Monday: 10k probably too fast (5:35km)

    Was meant to be Easy, but ran with the fast person from the group again. It was generally too fast of a pace anyways, I jokingly said it might end up being my 10k PB and she said lets push for it so. Wasn't a 10K PB. But decide to make my speed session for the week.

    Tuesday: 60 min Easy (9.64KM at 6:15/km)

    Nice morning for it, its get so much darker for mornings run.

    Wednesday: Rest and Carb up for tomorrow.

    Thursday: 32K (6:15/km)

    I'm traveling for work at the weekend so I decide to get this done early in the week so I can recover and no be run down on the flight.

    Perfect weather for running, a fairly hilly route at parts but nothing too major, was also nice to run on some parts of the route I had never ran before.

    15 Seconds a KM faster than the previous 20 mile run, and my legs sure felt it by the end. Wouldn't have been as confident about doing the extra 10k on this day! But probably not surprising given the quicker pace and also by the end of this run I had ran 130K in the previous 10 days

    Second 20 miler out of the way feels like a major milestone for the countdown to the Marathon

    Friday: Rest

    I considered doing a recovery run, but I decided against it. My legs were tired but I haven't done recovery runs after my long run in the entire training block, so seems like a bad time to start doing them.

    Saturday: 10k Easy-ish (6:02km)

    Out with the run group. Was nice to not have to get up super early in order to eat breakfast and to start early to get extra mileage in.

    Sunday: Travel

    Flying to North Carolina today, wasnt able to check in online, got to the airport to find I was "bumped" from the flight (it was oversold). They did put me on a different series of flights to get me to NC, and overall I only got there about 3 hours later so it wasn't the end of the world, but never heard that happen to anyone before!

    Week 2

    Monday: 50 Mins Easy (on a treadmill)

    Where I am staying is not very friendly for walking/running, plus its dark when I need to go running so I am kind of forced to go on the treadmill. It's so boring! And so warm. Do not enjoy

    Tuesday: 30 min Tempo (on a treadmill)

    I thought Monday was bad, probably TMI but nobody has ever sweated as much I did on this run! So warm

    15 mins WU, 20 mins @ 5:30, 10 mins @ 5:00, 10 min CD

    Wednesday: 50 Mins Easy (on a treadmill)

    Not as bad as the day before, but still so boring

    Thursday Walk 5K

    It's obviously much harder to eat properly while I'm here so I am concious of doing something on this rest day to burn the calories. I decide to walk loops of my hotel and the neighbouring hotel, about as far as I can reach safely by path. Each full loop of the two hotels is about a KM. I wouldn't run the path while it was this dark, but walking is ok, the two hotels have lights.

    Played pickle ball later in the day as a team building exercise thing, it was fun!

    Friday: 7K at MP (2k WU & 1.5 CD)

    I'm traveling home today so I don't need to get into the office so I'm able to push my run so its bright enough to do my new found 1K loop. Even 10 laps of the two hotels is so much better than the treadmill!

    Pacing could have been better, a few seconds per KM quicker than targeted, but not awful.

    Saturday: Rest

    Got home at 7am, I can't sleep on planes, so I grab a few hours sleep in the morning. I try to stay up as late as I can but start crashing about 7pm. Went to sleep around 7:30

    Sunday: Easy 20K (6:17/km pace)

    Had planned to do this in the morning, but I woke up at 7am (so nearly 12 hours sleep) and I feel wrecked still, so go back to sleep for another 3 or 4 hours!

    I'm feeling a little head coldy and not feeling great, not sure if its sick or tired.

    I eventually do get out later in the afternoon and decide to do a loop I can cut short if im not feeling it, but I feel ok once I'm out. HR maybe a little bit higher than usual but nothing crazy. Feel better about how sick I am or amn't based on feeling ok after this run. Legs are a little sore, but nothing major.

    Summary: 62Km and 55KM for the 2 weeks.

    Travel over, nothing happening between now and Dublin so I can just concentrate at the task at hand. This day two weeks I'll hopefully be sore but content! Looking forward to my headspace being freed up a little, although talks of doing Limerick have surfaced already so won't be a huge respite if I do that! But hopefully I can put my DCM demons to bed and I won't be as mentally occupied by future Marathons!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 611 ✭✭✭theintern


    Fair play keeping up the training going when travelling, really easy to come up with excuses when you're away and everyone is going drinking in the evening!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Week Starting October 14th - 32K for the week

    Weight: Not sure, didn't weight myself. I was generally ok with food, but with a big reduction in mileage, who knows. But it is what it is now, I have enough things to be worried about!

    Plan: Week 16 of 17 (Hybrid Boards beginner with HH intermediate 1)

    40min V.Easy | 2x 15 min Tempo | 40 min V.Easy | Rest | 5K | 13K Easy | Rest/Cross

    Monday: Easy 40 mins (6.39KM at 6:19/km)

    Really starts to feel like a proper taper now that im running in a familar environment again. This Monday run has been 60 minutes from my house for 15 weeks or whatever, this felt a lot shorter. Quite cold out too. HR is ok on this run (avg 151)

    Not feeling amazing later in the day, bit of a cold, small bit achey. My left calf doesn't feel great. I'm unsure if its still jet lagged related or I'm sick

    Tuesday: Rest

    Do not feel good at all today, cold is worse, calf still feels a bit off so I decide rest is probably better than pushing through whatever it is. Covid test is negative. Very tired and finding it hard to concentrate on anything!

    Wednesday: Rest

    I feel a bit better today, but still not great. Kind of torn between pushing through and going for a run or resting. I decide to rest.

    On top of not feeling great and being tired, taper anxiety is starting to creep in. Feels like a lot resting on a single day in October!

    Thursday: Easy 40 mins (6.39KM at 6:32/km)

    Still not feeling amazing but from a clear my head perspective, I decide I need to go!

    Generally felt ok, but my HR is quite high, especially for the pace (avg 158)

    Friday: 5K Easy (6:15/km)

    Feeling a bit better. HR a small bit high, but not as bad as the day before (avg 156)

    Saturday: 13k Easy (6:17/km)

    Last "long run" before Dublin. Still a bit sniffly but feeling better as the week goes on. HR heading the right direction (152)

    I promise this story is not as bad as you might imagine at any point. But spent a few hours Saturday evening in A&E with my wife. She was out working on the garden chopping tress and cutting bushes without incident and when she was tidying up she was picking up something she dropped and a branch she moved out of the way whipped back and hit her in the eye! She had some blurry vision so out of hours doctor said go to A&E

    Was there 3 or 4 hours, she had a scratch on her eye, but Ballinasloe doesn't have an eye doctor so they reffered her to Galway for the next morning.

    Sunday: Rest

    Went to Galway in the morning with my Wife, was seen to really quickly and was about as good of news as could have been hoped for. Scratch on the eye, but not serious and it will clear up shortly

    Was pretty tired by the time we got home and just spent the majority of the day watching TV.

    Summary: 32Km for the week.

    I definitely feel pretty anxious for next week. I know training has been good. Despite being a bit all over the place for the last few weeks. I haven't missed that many runs. But I felt good last year too and it's hard to shake the feeling history will repeat itself.

    But I'm a better runner than last year, so I just need to put it behind me! If I could teleport to even 9:46 AM Sunday I would just feel so much better! I just want to get it started so its not consuming my thoughts anymore!

    Next post from me will probably be post event. That makes it feel very close! I'll be in wave 4 with probably a Ballinasloe singlet (unless its super cold) and a hat. Feel free to say hi!

    I'm gluten for punishment though, as I've decided to sign up for Limerick next May. The friend I mentioned in the first post who got me back into running is a little bit out of the swing of things and I wanted to sign up for something with her to somewhat re-pay the favor she did for me nearly 2 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭MisterJinx


    Very best of luck. I know you are still really disappointed with last year however I think it was just a bad day considering everything you had put it. This year will be different however make sure you enjoy it and don't put too much pressure on yourself. I know it's really easy to say however with the training you have done and the sensible approach you have to this race then you can be really confident of a good day this year so head out with a positive attitude and expect it to be a painful but really good day for you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    the very best of luck tomorrow. You’ve put in great training this year and I hope you get the great marathon that you deserve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,341 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Race Information

    • Name: Dublin City Marathon
    • Date: 27th of October 2024
    • Time: 4:45:59

    Goals

    • A Sub 4:15 - No
    • B Sub 4:30 - No
    • C Be proud of the effort - Yeah, probably!

    Timing Mat

    • Woods Quay - (06:31 /km)
    • 10K - 1:01:52 (06:06 /km)
    • 20K - 2:04:02 (06:14 /km)
    • Half - 2:11:00 (06:21 /km)
    • 30K - 03:09:03 (06:32 /km)
    • 40K - 04:32:41 (08:22 /km)
    • Finish - 04:45:59 (06:04 /km)

    Week Of Training

    Monday: 30 mins Easy

    Tuesday: 15 mins tempo (1K WU, 2K at 5:30, 1K at 5:00, 1K CD)

    Wednesday: 30 mins Easy

    Thursday: Rest

    Friday: Rest

    Saturday: 3k Easy

    Nothing too exciting to report from training, generally felt ok this week physically, mentally was a bit of an anxious mess! Memories of last year hard to put behind me, but i know I have improved so lets see how it goes.

    Pre-race

    Stayed up in Dublin so a nice leisurely 7am alarm, although I got up at 6:30. Had some overnight oats for breakfast and brought half a bagel with me to eat after the bag drop. Got dropped down near the start point along the canal, was a long walk around to the bag drop and down the start line. I think I had 6k steps by the time I passed the spar shop down near the canal, so probably walked about 6k before the marathon, which was more than I expected to, but I wasn't worried about it.

    The start area seemed a lot more chaotic than last year, I remember being much more grouped with the wave 4 bunch as we all made our way to the start, this year the wave 4 bunch seemed to come up against a large group of other runners

    Plan

    My plan for the day is to target around a 6:10 pace for the first half, which would have me a little bit behind my A goal but if I was feeling ok I could push on later

    Race

    My plan was to be out in front of the 4:30 pacers early on, and I was in the wave 4 section, but I guess they made their way up in front of the big group of other runners I mentioned so I was a decent bit behind them. Not worried about it at all plenty of time to catch them!

    The first few K are a bit messy as people sort of filter into their paces. but I'm happy enough to take it easy til it clears up a bit.

    Everything is feeling pretty decent as we get to quays and it starts to open up a bit and I can focus on pacing a bit better. Happy with hows it going. I'm trying to take a bit easier going up hills and feeling comfortable by the time we get to the park.

    I passed the 4:30 pacers in the park, funnily enough just as 2 out of the 3 of them dive in to the loo :D This was around the time that the 4:40 pacers passed me last year so I was feeling good that I felt good at this stage.

    Nothing really too exciting going on at this stage as I'm just concentrating on maintaining my pace and keeping my HR down, everything going pretty well. Maybe around 14K i think that my calves are a little bit more tired than I'd expect them to be, but HR is perfect and feeling pretty good so I'm happy enough.

    The hill around 16K I mentioned in last years update I absolutely crawled up, even still its the first time my HR has been anyway elevated, but it comes right back down when I get to the top so I'm happy out

    The 20K mark is around where the wheels fell off last year so I'm somewhat cautious around that point, but energy wise i feel good, HR is still good so I'm feeling happy.

    Pass halfway and I'm happy with my time and how I'm feeling, i know its behind the A goal but that was the plan. It's a major relief to not be in the same place as last year

    Not sure exactly where/when it happened but I got a stone in my shoe at one point, it wasn't sore, but I decide I'd rather get rid of it now than run on it for another 2+ hours!

    One thing I notice this year that I didn't notice at all last year, is there was a lot of people walking around half way or just after. I felt like the only one last year which really added to my embarrassment

    My legs start to feel a more tired around the 24K mark and my HR is going up a little, so I decide I'll pull it back a little as there is still plenty to go. HR responds to easing up, but my legs are not really.

    I meet my crew around 26.5K, I'm still going pretty ok at this point and I go over to give them a quick hug and get my swap of carb drink. As I start up again from them I feel a twinge in both of my calves, probably not good! But I keep going, and ease up the pace even a little more. I have had these twinges before in races, but usually I didn't have another 16k to run!

    I've had a couple more twinges by the time I pass the 30K mark, I know they are probably not going to last at this point! Around the 31k mark I decide I'll walk for a minute or two to see if it clears up, around this point the 4:30 pacers catch up to me. One of them was doing great shouting to try motivate people and I figure my best chance of a decent day is to see if I can just hang on with these! So I pick back up the running again.

    Energy wise I'm feeling ok and I tuck in behind the front 4:30 pacer and the pace feels ok for me to do other my legs are feeling it. I'm in behind her for a few minutes and then my thigh just above my right knee starts sort of pulsing (not sore but I could feel it kind of pumping). My thigh has not been sore up to this point but I know I wont be able to stick with them for 10k, so I decide I better take a walk break again, and started making my way over to the side so I'm not slowing down in front of people.

    So I navigate to the side and before I even get to slow down my right leg (I think it was my calf) completely seizes and I scuff my foot off the ground, stumble a bit but thankfully I don't fall! I've never had this happen before.

    I guess I'm walking now! I could walk ok on it, but anytime I tried to even get back to a jog I could feel my calf immediately.

    I was in a pretty dark place last year when I was forced with the reality that I was walking, but I wasn't the same this time around. Having 10K ahead of me is a much different place than having 21K, and plus I wasn't confused to what was happening like I was last year. People calling me by name last year was embarrassing for me, this year I could appreciate the support for what it was! There will be time to try figure out the why this is happening, but I physically can't run so there isn't really much I can do in the moment!

    I basically exclusively walk 33, 34 and 35k and most of 36, til eventually it seemed like I could run on it again. I took some extra salt tablets and took my caffeine gel (Just an FYI, the lemon caffeine gel from Decathlon is absolutely disgusting!) not sure if it would make any difference at this stage, but my stomach is holding up ok so decide it couldn't hurt. The 4:40 pacers pass me out while I'm walking, at this point I'm still not sure if I'll get running again and I'm wondering how many more pacing groups are going to pass me!

    When I get back running again I've about 6k left, I decide I'll walk up any hills I come across as I'd really like to try run the last 2 or 3KM without stopping. From about 3kish out I hitch my wagon to a woman who seems to be getting on ok and I try stick with her. I don't know was she a celebrity or had her name written in lights on her bib but it seemed like a tonne of people where cheering her on specifically! I must say after a while of this I did feel a bit conscious to be essentially following her.

    My crew were around the RDS again somewhere, they had gotten up early to get the car inside the loop this year so they were much better able to get around. I went over for some high fives, I didn't dare stop for hugs this time!

    My legs have been feeling okish for the last couple of KM so I think the immediate threat of cramping is gone, so when I see the 800M to go sign and I decide to give one last final push. The crowd once you got over the canal was amazing. My 42K pace was 6:16 and the 0.5 after that was 5:36 so I wasn't lighting the world alight or anything but a decent kick on at least.

    This time I hold my hands up crossing the line

    Post-race

    My legs are in absolute bits after the finish line, my calves and hamstrings are telling my all about what they thought of it. I get my medal and goodie bag and make my way to the bag drop. I find a step to try change my top and put on a top and a coat as I think it started raining shortly after I finished.

    I thought there was a lot of walking last year, I was absolutely disgusted when I hobbled for about 10 minutes to find myself at the pub thats beside the exit of the north west corner of Merrion square where we could exit last year! We walked back to the car which was just the far side of the canal, went back to my friends house where I grabbed a shower and then we stopped for food on the way home.

    Reflection

    I'm nowhere near as dissapointed as last year, I did what I could on the day, but at least for another 6 months, my Marathon time will continue to be an outlier! Maybe there was a few more minutes on the table if I wasn't as cautious when I started running again, but judging how my legs felt afterwards, im not so sure!

    46 minute PB is something I guess!

    I at least felt like the effort I gave on Sunday was like someone who might have trained for the Marathon! I didn't really feel like that last year. Also I ran the 30k faster than any training run (very slightly, 1 second per KM faster) so at least it was an unknown. Last year I was done at the half after running 10 minutes slower than my half PB.

    Again i come through unscathed. I'm very sore but normal sore, nothing injured as far as I can tell, so thankful for that!

    Now starts the process of figuring out what I need to change or improved because I must be doing something wrong.

    Weight: I'm another 7Kg lighter than this time last year, but still maybe another 7Kg overweight so that's an obvious one to work on.

    Mileage: I'm 14K short of 1000 miles done for the year, not huge numbers compared to some people but I'd imagine its probably more than average for +4 finishers

    S&C: non existent, needs to be an area of focus

    Training plan: Maybe mixing plans wasn't a good idea. It seemed logical enough to me how I was doing it. Definitely felt a big improvement from the speed sessions on the shorter distances I'd ran.

    Pace: People who look at my timing mat paces will say the classic case of someone going out too fast. And maybe that's true. But if it is the case, the problem I'm having is setting my target because my pacing was spot on for what I planned to do. My Half PB was sub 2 on a very warm day, so I felt pacing for 6:10 average was reasonable, even me being a tad conservative. Maybe 2 x half + 20 isn't enough for me and I should be adjusting that to 2x half + 30 or something.

    Fueling: Obviously a huge improvement over last year. A lot more focus on carb loading the week of. On course I took 5 gels, roughly 800/900 ml of carb drink (+ 3 gels worth of carbs roughly) and probably another 2 gels worth of cola bottles. I also took salt tablets every 5K, alternating between 1 and 2 tablets at a time. I had planned to take one more gel but I didn't seem necessary as I took more carb drink than planned at the end for hydration purposes

    Water: I didn't drink much water out on course outside of the carb drink. I drank at every stop last year and I felt it contributed to me feeling sick. I skipped most of the water stops this year, maybe using every 3rd, but that was similar to my long runs where I would have minimal water outside of the carb drink. I guess this could be an area to improve. I didn't feel like I was sweating too much at all thought so I felt I was on top of it, but maybe not!

    Whats Next

    Recover this week. My muscles are very sore so plenty of rest and a couple of small walks. Won't run til the weekend at the earliest and even then will only do something very short.

    Get back into a routine with running. Last year November, December and especially January were very light months for me running wise, I would like to keep ticking over better this year in November and December

    Diet. Christmas will obviously be a tough time to be focusing on weight, but November for sure with the reduced mileage is a decent opportunity to get back on top of it (after I've recovered from Dublin)

    Limerick. Limerick is booked, training will start back up again in January. I'm doing it with a friend who I was hoping the Dublin result would put me in her ball park of a level so we'd be able to push each other on, but I have been humbled and put in my box!

    DCM25. 95% sure I will go again. The crowds and the buzz are absolutely amazing. The logistics around it are putting me off it, but I think I'll suck it up for another crack at it, assuming they allow past runners to book again. Am I able for 2 marathons in a year? I'm not even convinced I'm able for 1 :D . Training wise I think so, we'll find out I guess.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭crisco10


    love a good thorough race report! Can't get enough of them!

    How in the name of god did you get a stone in your shoe?! thats terrible luck.

    46 minutes PB is unreal and think you should be proud of that. As to next year, and pacing. Don't worry about that now. Just focus on the thrill of the PB (all be it - it is good to note your thoughts for future reference)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    A super report and a big well done. Your positive attitude is to be commended.

    My husband swears by Precision Hydration salt tabs for cramping. They are 5x stronger than the standard electrolyte. He took 6 to 8 of their salt capsules in-run too. They had a stall at the Expo but can also be purchased online.

    Get some well earned rest 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽



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