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Why are we so fat?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,639 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    any source on there being 'almost no chocolate in it any more'? yes, they started using palm oil in it but it doesn't have that oily feel other chocolate does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Feisar


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,036 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It tastes like chocolate in the US now. Really sickly sweet taste. The poor taste does not stop the Americans gorging themselves on it, just like here. Fast food in the US also tastes gross in general yet people cannot get enough of it.

    Not sure why people consume vast quantities of gross poor tasting products. Maybe when people become overweight it is a bit like an addiction or people's tastes change. I find healthy people of normal weight find sugar blended with oils and crap disgusting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's true but it never developed in to cheese culture such as they have in France or even the UK.

    I went to a small horticultural show in September where there were prize for homegrown fruit and vegetables, it occured to me that why doesn't every parish have a long standing local horticultural shows with prizes for home grown fruit, veg, baking.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,639 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i wonder if that arose from the 'dig for britain' campaign in WW2?

    it's a pity those competitions don't reward taste - growing a tasteless onion the size of a newborn baby is a middling feat.



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  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm having a rare fry too after my indulgences last night. Got bloods done recently and my cholesterol is perfect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭yagan


    Deep fried mars bar is touted as national cuisine in Scotland.

    I suppose we have the jumbo breakfast roll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    I eat like a horse but look like a Greyhound, very high metabolism, sounds great to some but you are hungry a lot as a result

    I've always cycled a bit but only began going to the gym in January of this year at forty six

    My wife puts on weight by looking at food



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Everyone's tastes are different. Im sure the Americans think their junk food tastes great. I think people's taste buds do change and food manufacturers spend millions taking advantage of this. Sugar blended with oils is what can make food addictive. I eat plenty of healty stuff like porridge, eggs, chicken breast and veg but I never crave any of this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What does anyone think of this

    Say I took a stand and gave the trick or treaters a apple, a plum, and some nuts such as we were giving at Halloween, instead of chocolates and sweets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    All that nice stuff to eat and it is not going to eat itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,112 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Sedentary lifestyle as well. Also it takes effort and willpower to look after yourself there is no quick fix. It is a mindset unfortunately many in Ireland are very influenced by America. Many who diet and supposedly try to lose weight are quicker to think up excuses as to why they can't lose weight. "Genetics" etc, or they come out with lines such as "I can lose weight but I chose not to" (when in reality they are not happy and don't put in proper effort).

    Anyone who suggests otherwise gets those Americanised phrases from the internet thrown at them from a certain cohort "fat shaming" "body shaming"etc.The reality is if the vast majority of people followed a simple common sense diet/exercised regularly/portion sizes would see real noticeable benefits after 3 months.

    I think those in offices or find themselves sitting a lot and do not have the time to exercise should really be using sit/stand desks. Standing would burn up calories without them even realising. Maybe use the stairs instead of the lift in the office? That type of thing.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Look at this cat dismissing (with the "I've just done a sh1t " motion) all the processed crap and only eating the plain chicken. Smart kitty. 😊

    https://www.facebook.com/share/v/vmatZUVYhS9XZJHN/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Did you plums? Anyway, you’ll probably end up getting egged.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trick or treat - you'll get the trick. Maybe put nuts in with the sweets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    I think a lot of obesity today, especially in rougher areas is due to a total lack of education on nutrition. People shovelling rubbish food into their faces with very little knowledge of what it’s doing to them, and a lack of knowledge on basic nutrition. I work in a hospital and I see the effects of poor diet in rougher areas every day. Poorly controlled type 2 diabetes is a very common one I see.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If say the person had a plum tree, that'.s where they came from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭halkar


    They will take picture of them and ask google what they are :-D



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I’d take a plum any day. Not sure the kids would. Also, I would put fruit and nuts above handfuls of popcorn or loose, unwrapped, jellies.

    They’ve been given out around here, I know it’s just old people who don’t know any better but it’s not ideal.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd say it's rampant. My own HBA1C isn't great. I eat all the protein-rich, high-fibre food, plenty of vegetables and nuts/seeds/pulses. I don't eat fast food, crisps, white baguettes filled with stuff, Chinese takeaways etc, but maaaan do I have a terrible weakness for sugar. 😔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Feisar


    We're not allowed to talk about why 🤣

    Here's a good post on the subject:

    Cheese:

    "Speaking of cheeses, you see a drastic change here in the late 1600s, which coincided with the land confiscations during and the Cromwell era and the turmoil that occurred here.

    Ireland had, like all of Europe, a long standing cheese making tradition, with historical references to a wide variety of soft and hard cheeses. All of these suddenly disappeared and the entire dairy industry moved to the production of butter, largely for expert.

    Ireland’s cheese making completely disappeared to the point it was almost unheard of through the 1700s and 1800s. The only references you see are to cheese as an ultra luxury product, either imported or produced on a tiny scale.

    There was basically no cheese at all in the mainstream Irish diet though the 1700s and 1800s. Industrial cheddar was introduced in the early 1900s, with most of it being exported as processed cheese, as there was no domestic demand.

    You don’t really see Irish artisanal cheese emerge again until the 1970s, and that was largely down to interaction with continental Europe, rather than a rediscovery of lost cheese making.

    It’s basically a tale of colonialism, forced displacement, attempts at ethnic cleansing, oppression and an extremely drastic disruption of rural life wiped out a whole food culture, to the point we don’t really even know what it was like. Irish food became extremely bland and was just subsistence rather than a cuisine. That ultimately leads up to the Great Famine, which is basically the outcome of a total disruption of rural life here after that cromwellian era. It didn’t just continue to evolve like most of Europe.

    Whatever our food culture was, it was fairly dramatically erased and replaced with early industrialisation of commercial farming, focused on very few large scale basis products, very much for export.

    We’ve more in common with places that were colonised, or with places that had rural life disrupted later by communism in Eastern Europe and Asia than we do with wealthier parts of Western Europe in terms of food culture.

    While the reasons and politics were different, and it occurred earlier and was more prolonged, our rural life and living structures were dismantled and completely and totally disrupted. We basically don’t have any long standing food culture at all, until we reinvented one in the second half of the 20th century.

    That’s why we don’t really have any traditional regional dishes, other than a few bread recipes. It may also be why things like fish were very much absent in Irish diets. You don’t see much in the way of traditional smoked meats or anything at all really, yet if you dig into older history you see a lot of references to fish, cured meats, cheese etc. So it’s basically a culture we lost.

    It’s one reason I get annoyed with the potato jokes and the slagging off of the lack of depth of Irish food culture and Ireland’s rapid adoption of influences from other food cultures. If you’re mocking it, you’re basically mocking a rather tragic erasure of a whole culture, famine and a period of ethnic cleansing that’s centuries ago but left horrific scars here and scattered us to the ‘New World‘."

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    That's one of the primary reasons why travellers have such a high level of early death , terrible diet in general



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Having big bones was always a good one, but elbows moving faster than metabolism is a better reason.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You rarely see an elderly Traveller man, they die so much younger than the dominant culture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I think most people shovelling **** into them daily is more laziness than lack of education. Everyone has a basic understanding of what's good or bad for you these days rough area or not. You could argue rougher areas care less about what they eat but more education would fix nothing I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭yagan


    to add the 17th century interruption of Ireland's food variety the potato wasn't a mainstay until the massive land confiscations made having a crop that could be easily moved and replanted was vital. Cromwellian forces used slash and burn genocidal policy they called "denial" to deplete the native food reserves.

    Cromwellian forces on the other hand had a constant supply of food shipped from England which allowed them to destroy crops as they.

    Butter had been an important export before that era, but oaths had been a central part of the diet.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    which is the subject matter of this thread. Its making people fat…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Theirs definitely people out their who think some unhealthy food is healthy but getting educated on nutrition is the easy part. The majority of overweight people know what they need to do to lose weight but actually doing what needs to be done is hard, if often means battling against what your brain wants.

    Part of the problem is everyone wants quick results and when they don't see big changes quickly they give up. The only way to lose weight for good is to gradually improve your diet and gradually increase your exercise over time. It's a tough battle but it's one that everyone is capable of winning



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