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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Isn't his/FOTE position on LNG a direct contradiction of the most recent legislative change in the Planning Bill?
    https://www.friendsoftheearth.ie/news/permitting-commercial-lng-would-be-a-fatal-betrayal-of-clima/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    We've tried that in recent history with Renua and Aontu. Neither have gained critical mass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,156 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    But isn't this already sort of happening with Independent Ireland? I guess they're not the droid you're looking for…

    But leaving them aside I'm not seeing many among the current crop of independents ideological enough to be interested in forming a PD-type party. Verona Murphy maybe? And I'm not aware of many new independent candidates of that ilk likely to elected either…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah it 100% is happening with Independent Ireland. Not sure how well led and sellable they are though. People seem to lump them in with the other Independent groups.

    I think we will see a few more capable Independents elected this time around.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't think Harris cares a whit about the people of Ireland. He is totally self absorbed. He only wants to play the politics game. He will get found out.

    In terms of achievements, he only has failings...Children's Hospital, Scoliosis etc

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,796 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    what else would he be, his first job was parliamentary assistant to Frances Fitzgerald, dropped out of his degree to pursue a career in politics (not that that's an issue I firmly believe degrees aren't for everyone). but what experience outside politics does he have. hasn't even flipped burgers as far as I can see.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    FG said after last election they would be in opposition and left everyone else to it.

    SF ran for the hills.

    Which party failed their voters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,544 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the system as a whole if failing people, again, ffg have put a block in place, theyre using the pr-stv system for their own gains, ultimately to maintain their position of power and control, and its working, and then of course theres the ultimate failure of the opposition, and ultimately sf.

    it always important to remember, all will lie for their own needs, as is the case with ffg, i.e. theres not going to be significant changes in our most critical of issues such as housing and health, so we better prepare for this reality…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,863 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,147 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Well that is definitely looking at it with blue tinted glasses on. Another way of looking at it was that FF didn't want to talk and did not want to form a government with SF especially with SF on the same number of seats as them so Martin went on crawling knees to Varadkar and begged him to go into coalition to keep SF out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You are blaming parties for the incompetence of other parties

    SF talked to Green party first, then disappeared for months. In my opinion they seen covid, knew it would be a **** storm and wanted to sit in opposition and hope the government falls in a few months. Then jump on the back of that to get in without an equal partner.

    SF claimed they won the election so it was up to them to form a government, we would still be waiting on them.

    Like above you are blaming other parties for the incompetence of SF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,147 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Mine is that FF and FG didn't want to go into government with SF and therefore wouldn't talk to them which effectively excluded SF. Now if FF had of had talks with SF and SF ran way then I would agree with you but the fact that both FF and FG would not even talk with SF then you can't accuse SF of running away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,209 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,472 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gardai are resigning because their pay is shîte, but propose a public sector pay increase on Boards and you'll be called a Marxist. We need to pay people who provide vital public services a decent wage.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,472 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I do find it funny that posters are insisting that Harris is going to annoy voters when he's by far the most popular party leader. Their own biases colliding with reality and losing badly but they are deciding that their bias wins.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,472 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


     I have a real issue with the idea that electing a Government should be based on personal popularity contests rather than the issues and the proposed solutions from the parties.

    Its not. It's based upon contests in each constituency based upon the issues those voters deem relevant - often local.

    I sometimes wonder do some of the more vocal posters in this forum even live in Ireland, or have ever lived in Ireland, due to their profound level of ignorance of how our electoral system actually works.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,472 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's no such thing as a capable independent.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Nonsense. Catherine Connolly is more capable than most of the TDs in the Dail.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The starting salary for a garda in 2024 is only 36k a year - to work four 12 hour shifts a week, two of them over night, and do very difficult/demanding work. And good luck living in Dublin on that, even horrible working conditions aside.

    Its so mind bogglingly dishonest when our politicians wring their hands saying "we just can't get/keep enough gardai". Increase garda pay by 20k across the board and we'd have huge numbers of people applying, because it would make such a substantial difference at the career starting point.

    We could increase gardai numbers and the quality of applicant accepted. And we'd have a more moral society, with people recieving a more fair wage for a difficult, essential, job. And a society with far less crime, because we'd have a larger, higher morale, higher quality police force that would be far more effective. It literally benefits everyone in the country (other than criminals) hugely.

    We have the money to do this as a country tomorrow like, theres nothing stopping us other than the policy making of our current government. Increasing the salary of every member of the gardai in Ireland by 20,000e overnight would only cost us an extra 282mn a year, and thats not accounting for the tax returns of that money filtering back into the economy which would reduce the headline cost figure substantially.

    Its a very easy, achievable solution, that our current government just refuses to consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,472 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That doesn't mean he has any influence, quite the opposite. It just means he's a reliable contrarian voice who always picks up the phone when the media call. RTE's idea of "balance" is to have an opposing voice for everything no matter how much of a gobshite they are.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,472 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    OK I'll bite. What has she ever actually achieved?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    She does the odd youtube video

    Apart from that you will be struggling to find her to have achieved anything in her political career

    Like all Independents, achieving anything is not what they became a TD for, the pay and pension



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I'll tell you what, before I reply...for comparison purposes, can you tell me your constituency and who your first preference was in 2020.

    I'll reply when I am home. Don't forget your own TD @Hotblack Desiato

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Catherine Connolly has been notorious for years even in left wing political circles as being all about champagne socialist / media optics issues, and primarily only really caring about her own profile. She hasn't achieved a patch on any TD who's been a minister and who's actually directly influenced government policy. Or even plenty of opposition TDs that have done actual work that was good for the country over the years like Catherine Murphy or Michael McNamara.

    I too would be eager to know what exactly you think she's achieved. Hopefully this time without you trying to deflect from giving a direct answer to a very easy question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    My guess is that Hotblack voted for some random FFG TD backbench that nobody knows. He/She has spent 4 years voting as per the whip and doing what he/she was told. Possibly making good use of expenses.

    Catherine Connolly is the 1st ever woman to hold office as Ceann Comhairle. Her election by the Dail in 2020 came as a bit of a shock. FFG were not happy about it. It caused them huge embarrassment for FFG but the rest of the Dail knew they had elected a superb Leas Ceann Comhairle and she has proven her abilities in that role. It was noted at the time that 15 FF and FG TDs must have voted for her.

    Connolly is extremely intelligent and speaks very well in the Dail. She is a barrister and a psychologist. She was chair of the committee on the Irish language, the Gaeltacht and the islands and has done great work both in the Dail and in the west to promote the Irish language. Connolly was also superb on the Public Accounts Committee

    Connolly has done amazing work in her defence of the women in both Magdalene laudries, Industrial schools and Mother and Baby homes. She has worked tirelessly on their behalf. This is exceptionally important to me personally. She embarassed the 3 unwise men (Leo, Martin, Roderic) to instigate an investigation into the leaked and whitewashed Mother and Baby home report.

    She has more honestly and integrity than most TDs. She worked as a psychologist in the western health board and is "allergic to spin" as she said herself. She is constantly tackling the Taoiseach in Leaders questions around the trolley crisis and the state of the health system. And they squirm when she has the floor because they know she runs rings around their spoof.

    But yeah I wish I had elected a backbench FFG TD.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Some superb contributions on the mother and baby home report (I know some won't look at them because they are intimidated by intelligent women).

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    On the leaking of the report and the "abuse heaped upon abuse" with the whitewashed report.

    On the delays of the reports. Zappone was squirming.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Most recently on the Trolley crisis in Galway hospital.

    'One always loses the will to live on this': Catherine Connolly slams Govt over trolley numbers

    “All of the time I am getting different answers.

    “It would be easier to read The Castle or Metamorphosis by Kafka – which is extremely difficult to read – It would be easier to read it in German, Irish or English than to understand the answers that are coming in relation to the hospital in Galway,” the Independent TD said. 

    Connolly pointed to an appraisal carried out in 2019 which found that 64% of the infrastructure was not suitable.

    She said today, 62 patients are on trolleys in the hospital and noted that earlier this year when the number hit 73 it was the worst recorded figure since the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation (INMO) started collecting data. 

    In 2015, Taoiseach Enda Kenny told the Dáil that the hospital was “not fit for purpose”.

    In response, Connolly said: 

    Minister, one always loses the will to live really in relation to this.”

    She continued: “2014: Not fit for purpose. 10 years later: Not fit for purpose. And you are telling me then that there is money going into this?”

    “How in God’s name can we stand over a situation 10 years later, where we don’t even have a deadline for an accident and emergency?,” Connolly asked.

    I don’t want to stand here and lambaste the Government. I want a public health service that’s fit for us to call ourselves a Republic.”

    No nonsense. Tough lady.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Catherine Connolly has never been Ceann Comhairle. She was Leas-Cheann Comhairle.

    Thats like saying Mary Harney was the first woman to ever hold office as Taoiseach and deserves praise for it. It rather devalues your entire post if you don't know the very basic difference.

    Its also a personal achievement that advanced herself, not any influence on policy making/laws for the country of Ireland.

    "Extremely intelligent and speaks well" or "honesty and integrity" are also not achievements. They're adjectives. Did you ask ChatGPT for a blurb on her or something?

    Maybe try again and actually answer the question, and outline any actual achievements, ie laws implemented or concrete policy changes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    She still does the role when Sean is not doing it.

    Leas-Cheann Comhairle – Houses of the Oireachtas

    Catherine Connolly is the first woman to hold office as Ceann Comhairle or Leas-Cheann Comhairle in Dáil Éireann. She was elected Leas-Cheann Comhairle of the 33rd Dáil on 23 July 2020.

    In the absence of the Ceann Comhairle the Leas-Cheann Comhairle deputises and performs the duties and exercises the authority of the Ceann Comhairle in Dáil proceedings

    She has never been in government but you knew that.

    Who is your hero TD?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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