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Why are we so fat?

  • 24-10-2024 02:03PM
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    Shamelessly stolen from the Ireland Reddit sub this info graphic lists the obesity rates in European countries (defined as having a BMI of 30 or above)

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    My question is, why do you think we have such a high rate of obesity compared to, for example, France?

    In my opinion, it's due to a multitude of factors, including our poor diet caused by eating too much processed food and not taking the time to prepare healthy home-cooked meals. I also believe our alcohol consumption contributes to the high obesity rate.

    Additionally, our overreliance on cars, due to poor urban design and a population that is too spread out, discourages active forms of travel such as cycling and using public transport.

    I suppose the weather doesn't help with staying active outdoors either, and finally, I blame the lack of access to nature. For example, we have astonishingly little natural forest (around 1%) and no right to roam laws, which means much of the countryside is closed off to everyday people.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,020 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The number for Turkey does surprise me a lot. It's a mediteranean country, known for good food, lot's of organics, fresh produce etc…

    As to the rest, Irish society doesn't really have develloped to the better lately. And this will most likely also concerne food.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,898 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't think access to nature is the answer. I grew up in rural Donegal and the car is king there. The roads are dreadful and I can just about walk to the nearest town and back in 90 minutes so there's a lot less incentive to walk. There's no amenities in a lot of Ireland if you're not interested in soccer, GAA or the pub.

    A lot of this is the legacy of appalling town planning, one-off housing and a lack of investment in infrastructure. NIMBYism also plays a part. It's not as if Irish food is bad or anything.

    Drinking culture is probably the main culprit. In my hometown, most weekends were a session in the pub, a trip to the local nightclub and then staggering off to the local kebab place or chippy before ambling home.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    Why so many clichés?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,833 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    look how our neighbourhoods are set up…mine as an example…Gym door to door im guessing is walking 25 minutes away,

    Nearest corner / convenience shop / takeaway now is 15 minutes away walking.

    I’m not obese because I exercise 5 days a week… 3 good gym workouts then a couple of lighter sessions at home.

    We use cars because our weather is shît. We use cars because our suburban residential / city planners and councils or whatever haven’t a fûcking notion and couldn’t care less. Absolute dweebs. A whole line of retail premises 5 minutes walk away here was given permission to be sold and converted to residential…. Had been a mini supermarket, childcare place, barbers and a laundrette. All gone now.

    Public transport has been picked apart… three bus routes in this area, canned…bus connects / orbital routes not worth a fûck as the close by bus stop now moved almost a kilometre away…Its not practical to walk to any regular retail or other similar amenities because the immediate area and community has been gutted of them. Community protests… ignored.

    There is a green space for football/games that when I suggested about 5 years ago in 20 years would probably have housing on it, the person I said this to told me to cop on, never happening…. Now they ain’t so sure, they’ve backtracked, they see building residential properties in the Phoenix park so…why not other green spaces in our communities ?

    We rely on cars because our public transport is appalling for a capital city of this size and population. Overcrowded, uncomfortable, inefficient, environmentally unfriendly, slow and in many many cases antiquated. Some of the active fleet of Dublin bus is approaching 20 years old…. I’m nowhere near a Luas, probably about 3 - 4 kilometres away from my nearest stop…a tram system launched with fanfare….a whole two lines.

    Look at Manchester….8 Metrolink lines, 99 stations. People are on foot, not relying on cars.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,627 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i would be interested to see if there are stats on gender balance in how well people can cook; i am not a good cook and was never expected to prepare my own food at home. i eat well because i am married to someone who is an excellent cook and generally enjoys cooking, but i suspect i'd be a fat bastard if i hadn't met her.

    i should clarify - i wonder how good the average irish adult is at cooking, and i expect guys like me would be bringing the irish average down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,045 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    "we have astonishingly little natural forest (around 1%) and no right to roam laws, which means much of the countryside is closed off to everyday people."

    Have you seen the absolute state Irish people leave publicly accessible areas? Too right they shouldn't be allowed to go wherever they want leaving their shyte after them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Sedentary lifestyle

    Alcohol consumpltion

    Poor eating habits

    Apologists. People now say they have slow metabolism, eating disorders etc, but look at photos from 60 years ago when people were thin. Differences are as above. Seriously, when did you last see a man out on a Saturday pushing a manual lawn mower?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm in Turkey regularly - They love sugar. And a lot of it. I've a bit of a sweet tooth myself but some of their desserts are too sickly sweet even for me. They don't seem too fond of exercise either.

    As for ourselves, as said by others - processed foods, booze, and driving everywhere.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,627 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,627 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    We use cars because our suburban residential / city planners and councils or whatever haven’t a fûcking notion and couldn’t care less

    to be fair, often it's the public who demand curtailing of their estates. they don't want their estates to be walkable, because of fears (whether justified or unjustified) of burglarly issues or antisocial behaviour.

    i remember on twitter there was a challenge put out to see who could find the longest walk to cover the shortest actual distance. IIRC someone found a 45 minute walk required to move 100m (may have been in celbridge)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I live in a very walkable community and only dog walkers and kids (at school time) use the pavements. I think people decided to save the planet by buying more electric cars. That seems to be the message - buy more cars - save the planet. Don't walk ... join a Gym ! And drive to it. Don't cycle, roads too dangerous. Have another drink - be proud of being Irish ! I ****** HATE the way the drinks industry have somehow put a trademark on Irishness. Don't play sports - watch on TV instead and be a proud supporter ! Here, look at some advertising for burgers and drink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    the inlet is bigger than the outlet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 BlockPartee


    It's primarily diet. As the saying goes, you can't outrun the fork.

    Too many chippers, delis with processed cr*p food, corner shops stocked mainly with chocolate and crisps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,062 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Bmi doesn't take in to account muscle, it's as much usea chocolate tea pot. Practically Everyone on a rugby team has a BMI over 25 does that make them obese



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The weather, so much darkness.

    It is useful as a guideline for a regular person who isn't a rugby player though.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,627 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if it was related to daylight levels you'd see a trend as you went northwards.

    taking that map at the start of the thread as being accurate (which is not an assumption i'd make in a hurry) - none of the countries north of ireland have a higher number. which would run counter to daylight being a significant factor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Poor eating habits is the main reason. Shíte weather and more people working desk jobs than before are also smaller factors, I’d imagine.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What did I say that was a cliche?

    Okay, maybe I was slightly wrong about our alcohol consumption however, I believe what I said on us having a poor diet is correct. Since a poor diet is more often than not the reason people are overweight or obese.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,627 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    an alternative map from 5 years ago, and it's a different measure (BMI Above 25 rather than above 30). comparing PT and IE - in the one at the start of the thread, PT are comfortably below us, but 5 years earlier they were a shade higher than us. but overall, we're about average on this measure.

    600px-Overweight_population_map_July_2021_V2.png

    anyway, what's the source of the info in both? are they taking clean slices through the demographic and weighing them? or are they getting the info from doctors, which obviously could cause a skewing of the stats?



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are facts clichés? They're the reasons for so many people being overweight (I don't know why the OP is asking why. Rhetorical question I guess).

    Portion sizes are colossal too. If I want chips after a few drinks, I want a portion for one person, not four.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Combination of factors as others here stated - appallingly poor public transport, sprawl-type development patterns, the scourge of one-off rural ribbon housing, sedentary lifestyles, too much fat and sugar in our diets - and an almost complete dependence on the private car to get around. Also the drinking culture combined with fast food.

    I have a car and have been driving for 25 years but as I live in Dublin quite close to my workplace, I commute by bicycle or get the bus. On the bus, I notice that more than ever now my fellow passengers are almost all comprised of immigrants, students, welfare dependants and those who can't afford a car/don't drive. Just like the US of A. It seems that a huge cohort of Irish people see public transport as "beneath" them.

    It's a very sad and pathetic state of affairs and despite all the (ultimately empty) talk from the powers that be of promoting "active travel" and "sustainable and integrated development" - the general trend is towards even more car usage.

    How are we ever going to improve when we are also instilling in the younger generation the need to use a car to go everywhere, with each child being dropped off to school individually in a huge and ugly SUV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭yagan


    Years ago I was talking with a professor whose specialty is obesity related illnesses and his take on it was you not get the political will to counter the processed food culture until obese offspring are dying before their parents.

    An undertaker friend told me that he now has to keep a stock of bigger coffins for obese people and the trend tends to be death in their 40s 50s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,115 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    We are so fat because we consume more calories than we expend, hence giving a calorific surplus.
    The surplus is stored as fat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Sedentary lifestyle.

    No weather or public amenities to entice people outside. The most people walk is around the shopping centre or the retail park.

    Having a car is essential for daily life for anyone outside of Dublin city, so we all have cars and we all use them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,812 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Why are we less fat than the Icelandic folk them?

    I would have guessed they'd be a healthy nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,115 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Get a warm rainproof jacket and you’ll be grand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭yagan


    That's essentially it.

    Exercise is important at all stages in life, but as we gear down in activity and our ability to burn calories we also have to gear down our calorific intake.

    I remember reading an interview with a professional soccer player who got massively obese in the years immediately after he stopped training and once he got it under control he reckoned he was probably fine on 70% less calories than what he'd been burning when fulltime.



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