Israel are going to start WWIII

There were posts here querying a very important aspect of the definition of "intent".

What Ben-Gvir stated is evidence in support of that intent. He is a senior minister in the government. And it's not the first time he has used words like this, or worse.

And he's not the only one - Gallant, Smotrich, Netanyahu and others have used language that is evidence of genocide.

These people simply cannot help themselves - every single day they provide more and more evidence that the ICJ Judges cannot ignore in support of Isreal committing genocide.

Further, of course, Ben-Gvir and the cohort of settlers in the video posted earlier, confirm the real goal of this Israeli action.

Utter destruction of every living thing and structure in Gaza and then roll in and occupy it.

Shades of the 1940's?

You bet.

They aren't Israeli or Jewish, so for the majority of Israelis they're lower than animals and deserve to die

Have they bought the local politicians? If so the occupation will be more effective even than the Turkish occupation has been in N Cyprus, as a bought politician only demands money, and naZionism has plenty of wealthy supporters, and loads of US tax money.

Exactly, the biggest news story of the week, and he gets outraged, before he remembers that he’s seen evidence that it was a model and a fake story.

I think it's time for countries in the West to take a stand and to stop giving people visas on Israeli passports. I know many have dual citizenship, and that's fine. But it would at least be a statement - "yes, we will let you in under your US citizenship, but not under your Israeli one"

Yes, I would say many people in the West would have been fairly neutral on the question of Israel and Palestine up until October 2023. But the Zionists have well and truly let the mask slip in the last 12 months - people can see just how nasty and unbelievably racist they are and how they are in love with violence and brute force. They are not a normal society, they have clearly radicalised themselves into something very dangerous and unpleasant.

Residential building.

Human shields and command and control centre is so so played out.

Perhaps. But if you look at the contrasting suspensions:

• British Airways: 5.5 months
• Lufthansa Group: 1 month 
• Aegean Airlines: 3 weeks

I can't believe all those airlines have widely differing suspensions solely on the basis of "safety".

I suspect the likes of BA and Lufthansa Group have looked at their forward bookings and see tumbleweed. That is either passengers too "afraid" to go or the find the idea of going to Israel just too distasteful. A mixture of both for sure. But as you say, it isn't possible to tease out any numbers because none are given.

Either way, Israeli tourism has tanked and will be in the doldrums for the foreseeable.

I did laugh at these contradictory remarks.

On the one hand, you seem quite irritated that Israel are using overwhelming firepower to disproportionately strike against Hamas/Hezbollah. On the other hand, you are quite deluded to think that Israel are somehow in trouble here (your claims of the iron dome not working, Israeli's fleeing).

Do people really think that Hamas/Hezbollah are winning here?

My point about disproportionate military action is that it is a war crime. Like it or not, those who carry it out will be prosecuted and found guilty. You may not like this, and Nathanyahoo certainly doesn't.

Israel is in trouble. Paperdome® was found wanting when real missiles were being used, as opposed to Hamas' fireworks. This is why the US is supplying Israel with THAAD; they must be wondering how effective it will be against Irani missiles (as opposed to warplanes), because if it isn't very effective Israel is completely fúcked.
As for Israelis currently fleeing, this was already well-documented even before October 7th 2023, as has the million Israelis in the US, and potentially maybe a further million elsewhere in the world. There is a reason why Nathanyahoo decided to enforce conscription on religious jews - and that reason is the decreasing number of young Israelis willing to join up, either because they are on a "gap year" that shows no sign of finishing after 12 months as the wiser ones stay away whether on their parents' advice or because they cannot find any reason to put their lives at risk.

As for Hamas winning - no, I do not think they are winning. Hezbollah, once they overcome the enormous setback caused by the pager coup, will not be so easily defeated however. But of course in war nobody who actively takes part wins. Even in WWII the victors - the USSR lost over 10% of their population, god alone knows how many were injured; the Brits lost their empire in the wake of the war. The only real winners were the USA, who came late to the war after letting others do the bulk of the fighting and the dying. That's without counting the human cost among those who fought in the war - all those men who came home injured or traumatised, along with the trauma they passed on to their families.

Many if not most of the Jews in Israel come from similarly traumatised families, and the state of siege they live in means that this is passing down the generations, and will continue to do so. Every Palestinian family ditto, whether in Palestine, the Lebanon, Jordan, Syria or further afield. There are no winners here - but some losers are losing more than others.

You responded to the post. You don't need to search through 80 pages.

Again I didn't make that claim. 🙄

Nothing sectarian about anything I said. Enough of your faux outrage

You mightn't like your history, but that's your problem.

Israel is winning now. They appear to have to ability to take out senior figures in Hamas and Hezbollah with ease. Safieddine, the man who was expected to succeed Nasrallah, was killed in Beirut yesterday, apparently. Hamas is going to have to find a new base going forward because Gaza has fallen and they are not going to be allowed to re-build the Gaza of old. I suspect that we'll see a strong IDF presence in Gaza going forward. Hamas and Hezbollah will always exist. I agree with you on that. They can never and will never win anything though.

No idea what proportion of the Israeli population thinks in the same way but quite obvious some have been totally brainwashed and radicalized.

Weren't the likes of yourself banging on earlier about how 'collective punishment' is a bad thing?

Or are we allowed to punish everyone in Israel together all as one unit? Whether they agree with what their government is doing or not?

And before you say it, yes, denying people visas so they can unite with families overseas is a punishment. (I say that as someone married to an immigrant and who has battled the immigration / visa process more than I'd like to remember!)