Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

This rhetoric is just stupid - there's plenty of scumbags in our own homeless you'd be weary of giving a piss soaked cardboard box to nevermind a free brand new house.

Your fifth last paragraph begins with "Finally". You then go on to write four more paragraphs, three of which begin with, in order, "Additionally", "And one last thing", and "Moreover". Since then you have another long post where the last paragraph begins "Finally", so maybe the ADHD meds took a while to give you the claimed focus😀.

I think it's worth posting this reminder again on some of the facts surrounding the refugee process as many of the same lies have reappeared.

Lie: Asylum seekers don't work and become welfare dependent.

Fact: The ESRI reports strong employment uptake by people from the IPA community.

https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/RS160.pdf

Lie: People coming through 'safe' countries are 'bogus' asylum seekers.

Fact: IPA's do not have to stay in the first 'safe' country they reach. While many do, it's of course reasonable and legal to travel further, whether for family reasons, job opportunities or long term stability.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

Lie: 'Bogus' asylum seekers arrive from 'safe' countries.

Fact: Countries which are designated safe by the Department of Integration are deemed to be so for the majority of people. People can still seek asylum from these country, as individuals or smaller minority groups might still be persecuted.

https://www.thejournal.ie/what-are-designated-safe-countries-of-origin-in-ireland-what-countries-how-does-it-work-how-many-applicants-6285239-Jan2024/

Exactly…. but but but the left will tell ya that we should be doing it for everyone. I know what I’d be doing with pissed soaked cardboard box.

How many of our own have never contributed a cent to the country? How many of those on the housing list have spent years sitting on their holes not trying to better their situation but with their hands out waiting for the "foreva home"? Im not arguing for floodgates open immigration but this idea that all of "our own" are saints is laughable.

So the far right received only 0.42% of the vote yet a recent poll showing 62% believe Ireland has taken in too many refugees. That should put an end to the narrative that only 'far right racists' are opposed to this immigration madness, shouldn't it?

Right and their is nothing we can do about that because they were born here.

Now if you want to address the question I raised.

You are advocating giving actual homes to folk rocking up claiming they need IP?

The rest of us are getting into debt not far of a half million euros and becoming quasi slaves paying a huge mortgage and you are saying that they ought to get that Scot free?!

Good grief.

“Lie: Asylum Seekers don’t work and become welfare dependent”

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/direct-provision-centre-inspection-finds-75pc-of-residents-not-able-to-move-out-due-to-lack-of-accommodation/a2098285064.html

This article shows that the majority of them in Ireland are in fact welfare dependent. They are unable to leave Direct Provision because they cannot support themselves and so must rely on the state to provide their food and accommodation etc.

That is quite literally the definition of welfare dependent and 75% is a huge proportion at that

And here we go again…..

The ESRI report does nothing of the sort, kindly stop with the "misinformation and lies".

It is clear to everyone here that you are unwilling/unable to accept reality of what is actually happening. You repeatedly tell us that we have "hard border policies" (something you, unsurprisingly can never elaborate on when asked) when in reality we have the softest border in the EU.

You are so biased to whatever your agenda is that you are unwilling to accept that people seek "asylum" here because there is virtually zero chance of being removed regardless of having a legitimate claim or not. You have championed the fact that its "hard and costly" to deport people from the very start. Its the same reason so many are turning up to Dublin airport without identification. The system is abused because it can. Something else you refuse to even acknowledge.

You repeatedly have mentioned that those who can not get work visas to come here will just seek asylum instead as they want a better life for themselves. Would love to see how you equate this statement to your "facts" above. What you have suggested is economic migration, but you always have some excuse to deflect with. Family/Job opportunities are not grounds for seeking asylum.

You are quite happy for people travel here from all over the world but then are also crying about the fact they face dangers, traveling half way around the world. You brilliantly suggested that rather than staying where they are safe we should in fact ferry/fly them here.

So for the fifth time?

1. Explain to everyone these "hard border polices" you repeatedly insist we have. Go on post a link.
2. You seem to be happy for our asylum system to be openly abused, kindly outline the benefits you see for the country from this approach.
3. At what point does an asylum seeker become an economic migrant in your eyes? Saying the latter does not exist would be misinformation and we know how you feel about that.

Weak men, hard times.

PS.

Perhaps I should take a moment to summarise your position from the previous thread in case any new comers mistake you for the voice of reason:

1. Ireland is a nasty little country with "hard border policies", but you are unwilling to tell us what these policies are.
2. Everyone in and no one out at all costs, we can never have too many people regardless of having inadequate services. You never see a point where the cons of this outweigh the pros.
3. Removing anyone is a waste of time and money. The "far right" is costing the state far too much money but it is ok to spend billions housing everyone who comes in and an unknown monetary sum "fixing the global south".
4. You want laws brought in immediately to tackle the "far right" and everything else you do not agree with. But its ok to ignore our current laws if they do not suit your view point.
5. Seemingly world geography is Irelands fault and we should facilitate a mass movement of people to Ireland from the 3rd world by ferry/plane - international law and borders be dammed.
6. We should turn our visa system on its head to prioritise people from the global south regardless of needing them of not because everyone just wants a better life, we owe it to them after all and if we don't they will just claim asylum here anyway. But its impossible for anyone seeking asylum to be "bogus"
7. People who argue against the rationality of all of this are mentally ill, far right, easily influenced, knuckle dragging, hate filled, misinformation spreading racists

Sound about right?

If they cant move out of direct provision and they have permits to work and are working should they then pay rent ? or do they remain in director provision accommodation while working on same terms?? they may not be able to afford market rent but should it be a free ride forever?

So earning and living free, thats creating a big gap with irish, hard working couples struggling to pay rent and save for home etc etc. this is where I see friction is starting to come from

I don't see much in the line of logic and facts from the anti-immigration brigade around here. I see mostly the same lies and misinformation as spread by the likes of Trump, Putin, Orban, the AFD etc…

Funny how some people will so readily accept this stuff, and even regurgitate it repeatedly, while being unable to accept something as simple and straightforward as the legality of claiming asylum in a non-neighboring country.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

I guess the Irish taxpayer just has to bend over and take the cost, harm and risk done by these hate-mongers too? What do you think it does to the cost of asylum accommodation when places are burned down or require round the clock security?

Undoubtedly population increases over the last decade have put a strain on housing and services, which should have been handled far better.

Yet only a small fraction, including this years projected numbers, of those came to seek asylum.

Why are people so obsessed with this relatively small group?

Our policy towards Asylum Seekers is a zero sum game where the AS win and Paddy Taxpayer loses, big.