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Luas Finglas

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  • #752
    L1011
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    Line C was the end of the Red line, Jervis to Connolly; C1 is Connolly-Point.

    E was Harolds Cross/Rathfarnham, found to be unviable at the time but I'd suggest it should be re-checked now; especially as the "oh no, we can't CPO peoples gardens" thing has been taken up for BusConnects.

    I don't know if any of the other proposals have been given letters, as they're not really used for anything. Poolbeg would presumably be C2.



  • #753
    KrisW1001
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    A bit of digging after @marno21 mentioned Rathfarnham, I found Line E was to run more or less parallel to Green, striking west from Dundrum, travelling through Terenure, Rathfarnham and Harold’s Cross before ending “in the city centre”. It was cancelled in 2008 and the maps were quickly removed from the RPA’s website.

    The archived copy of the old RPA website lists these lines

    • Luas A - Red Line, Tallaght to Connolly
    • Luas B - Green Line, Sandyford to St Stephen’s Green.
    • Luas A1 – Red Line Extension to CITYWEST/SAGGART
    • Luas B1 – Green Line Extension to CHERRYWOOD/BRIDE’S GLEN
    • Luas B2 – Green Line Extension from CHERRYWOOD TO BRAY AREA
    • Luas BX – Green Line Extension – CITY CENTRE LINK
    • Luas C1 – Red Line Extension to THE POINT
    • Luas D – Green Line Extension from City Centre to LIFFEY JUNCTION 
    • Luas E - Possible Luas Line from Rathfarnham to Dublin City Centre
    • Luas F - New Luas Line to LUCAN

    (From: Luas - RPA Railway Procurement Agency Ireland (via archive.org) )

    The Finglas extension wasn’t on those original plans, but if you follow the numbering logic, D1 seems plausible. Not that this matters, as it appears the alphabetical naming was abandoned a decade ago..



  • #754
    LXFlyer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122642584#Comment_122642584

    The letters only refer to the infrastructure, not the operating pattern.

    C was the extension from Connolly to the Point.



  • #755
    Sam Russell
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    @LXFlyer

    I was being pedantic. The Connolly stop is a terminus.



  • #756
    Daith
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    I'd forgotten that Jamestown Business area is going to be used for housing soon. That's potentially a lot of people between there and Charlestown that'll be using the Luas extension.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2024/10/21/plans-for-dublins-next-luas-to-go-for-cabinet-approval-tuesday/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=HP-SubDesc


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  • #757
    tom1ie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122642756#Comment_122642756

    unfortunately that high res detailed map for E doesn’t seem to be archived or accessible?
    That would have been interesting to see!



  • #758
    cgcsb
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    If we had a functional planning system it could be done around 2028. The metrolink RO application is coming up to it's 2nd birthday. Even if it is granted now we are basically assured of 1 additional year in judicial review at least, maybe 2. We could be looking at 4 years for what is typically a few months in developed countries. Expect the same for Finglas Luas.



  • #759
    Kermit.de.frog
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743902#Comment_122743902

    What's worse is governments have cynically used the broken planning system to feign "progress" for projects they have no intention of funding like the Metro.

    The more red tape and JRs the better until the next downturn when they pull the plug again and claim it's not their fault.



  • #760
    Toranaga
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    For all the flack the Greens get they are the only ones who've really pushed for new infrastructure. Must be tough with all the NIMBYs and the other parties they're in with. At least that will change...oh wait.



  • #761
    Pete_Cavan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743989#Comment_122743989

    I know the Greens get a lot of undue criticism but I think you are giving them undue credit here. I don't see them as having pushed for new infrastructure outside of cycle infrastructure, Luas Finglas, Metrolink, Dart+ and BusConnects all predate the current government.

    If anything, I am disappointed by Ryan's relative silence on MetroLink, he should have been out promoting the benefits of it when others were trying to talk down the project. He seems to have been as reluctant as anyone to upset the NIMBYs in Dublin. He seems to have been more interested in rail lines in the west than in Dublin.

    To give the Greens their credit, they have done a lot on the services side with Local Link, reduced fairs, etc. I honestly don't think less would have happened on the infrastructure side if they weren't in the current government and I don't see less happening if/when they aren't part of the next one.



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  • #762
    tom1ie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743989#Comment_122743989

    I don’t agree with this at all.
    What has Ryan done to further Metrolink- in fact he was looking to get it routed out to the SW.

    What has he done about ANPR cameras?

    What has he done about combatting the negative press surrounding Metrolink?

    What has he done about putting pressure on Darragh I Brien regarding improving capacity in ABP?

    Nothing on all the above.



  • #763
    gjim
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    I don’t agree with this at all. 
    What has Ryan done to further Metrolink- in fact he was looking to get it routed out to the SW. 

    He secured cabinet approval to fund it? A pretty important milestone.

    And he dropped all that NIMBY nonsense once a Minister afaik.



  • #764
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122745961#Comment_122745961

    I'd have to disagree on the cabinet approval, that was coming regardless. Keep in mind Metrolink was launched in 2018 by a Fianna Gael lead government with support of Fianna Fail. And it was a foollow of Metro North which was a FF project. It really doesn't make sense that FG/FF wouldn't support the project that was created under their governments.



  • #765
    tom1ie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122745961#Comment_122745961

    No.

    This was a FG project.
    Ryan actively tried to get it redrawn by wanting it heading out towards the SW which would’ve delayed this even further than it’s already withdrawn.



  • #766
    LXFlyer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122747490#Comment_122747490

    Not when he was the Minister he didn’t.

    That’s an important distinction.



  • #767
    KrisW1001
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    Oh no, he’s is at it again: A motion for government approval on Luas Finglas will be brought today by Eamon Ryan. Shame on him, trying to get the project going before the end of the Dáil…

    I don’t get the enmity toward Ryan here: I cannot remember a Minister for Transport who has done more to actually move public transport projects. Yes, MetroLink, Luas Finglas etc aren’t ”Green” projects, but the fact that there were still public transport project plans on his desk that had been hanging around for nearly two decades when he arrived says a lot more about his predecessors than about him.0

    And I think curtailing ML at Charlemont was the only sane plan. Building through to Sandyford is colossally disruptive to transport in south Dublin: it couldn't be done until Green Line was re-routed.



  • #768
    Thunder87
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    There were zero big ticket public transport projects under construction when Ryan took office, there's zero big public transport projects under construction when he's leaving. Most of the big projects currently making their way through the planning system were dreamed up and already committed to by the previous government in the 2016 NDP.

    The main positive I do see is he's overseen a mentality shift away from our obsession with roads, though even there I wouldn't say it's all positive, instead of ramping up public transport funding alongside roads he essentially wiped all progress on roads projects for half a decade and we'll probably start to really see the effects of that over the next few years.

    I'm largely indifferent to him overall but if that's the yardstick for what some people seem to consider amongst our best ever transport ministers then it really shows why our infrastructure is where it is.



  • #769
    yagan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743989#Comment_122743989

    They're the ones who acted as the NIMBIES regarding the N20 upgrade.

    Shocking that heavy traffic is still clogging up Charleville, a good few pedestrian deaths there since they nixed it.



  • #770
    Toranaga
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122747785#Comment_122747785

    Yeah the green party are responsible for those people getting killed, you're right.



  • #771
    yagan
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122747920#Comment_122747920

    Everyone in Macroom says the new bypass has made pedestrian life there much safer. There was even a pedestrian death there on the eve of the bypass opening.

    It's a fact that the Greens halted the N20 upgrade as part of their coalition terms, they've blood on their hands.



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  • #772
    Westernview
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    Eamon Ryan may not have achieved as much as we would like or indeed what he would like to have achieved himself but I think he deserves major credit for his time in office. The 2:1 investment ratio of public transport versus new roads is a game changer in terms of planning for the future of the country and addressing climate change. A lot of people (myself included at times) have been frustrated with the slowdown in road projects but he is correct in his priorities. He has faced huge opposition within government and within the media but has persisted regardless. Certain vested interests and members of the public are against everything he does as well. The abuse he has received on social media has been disgraceful.

    The leadership he has shown in addressing climate change at international level has been very impressive also. I've no doubt that history will be kind to him.



  • #773
    marno21
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    As pointed out, 0 major PT projects have entered the construction phase during his tenure. He has done nothing to accelerate any of these projects either. The Luas Finglas route was published in 2020. He's now taking it to Cabinet a few weeks before the end of the Government. That's a scandalously slow process for a 4km light rail scheme.

    If he spent more time trying to allocate more resources and address bottlenecks in the PT capital projects instead of launching endless tiresome arguments with rural backbenchers about bypasses which ultimately would have benefits for PT and active travel and not just evil polluting motorists he might have more to show for his 4 years as MoT.

    He has made great strides in rural PT, greenways, cycling and active travel, and as pointed out by @Westernview he's done very well on the international stage.

    But at the end of his 4+ years, the lack of any meaningful PT project implementation and any tangible delivery on offshore wind are disappointing.



  • #774
    Westernview
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748070#Comment_122748070

    I agree the Luas Finglas rollout has been too slow. But when you mention similar slow progress in offshore wind it reminds me of the mountain of work he had to do. Pulling the transport brief in with other departments he was over would stretch any minister but he probably recognised that if climate change priorities were to be addressed then climate and transport had to be handled together with the same focus.

    It would be pointless in an environment minister trying to reduce carbon levels while a separate transport minister ploughed ahead with roads and motorways at the expense of public transport. Ideally a separate transport minister would be in place with the same ethos but the green party were not going to secure that post separately.



  • #775
    KrisW1001
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    Nice to see all the new faces here, suddenly interested in the Luas (sort-of) now there's an election coming…

    Thankfully, it’ll be a short campaign.

    If anyone has an opinion on the actual approval process that will be started today, without comparing the Minister for Transport to Vlad the Impaler, Pol Pot, Stalin or Hitler, that’d be super to hear about…



  • #776
    yagan
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    If I remember rightly a lot of the preliminary work was done before the last election, yet in this term with the greens on board progress has stalled.

    Finglas not leafy enough for the greens.



  • #777
    tom1ie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122747496#Comment_122747496

    Fair enough but my point still stands.
    He has not doing anything out of the ordinary as a transport minister.
    For example If he had of got ANPR cameras in service I would think differently, but he hasn’t so I don’t.



  • #778
    tom1ie
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    A lot of regular contributors having a discussion on a public forum about the minister in charge of delivering PT.

    What’s the issue?



  • #779
    scrabtom
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748378#Comment_122748378

    Connecting Ireland has been a phenomenal improvement to rural connectivity.



  • #780
    Westernview
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748401#Comment_122748401

    I don't think those measures get recognised by some. If he is doing something for rural Ireland some see that as a waste of his time.



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  • #781
    tom1ie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748401#Comment_122748401

    Yeah to be fair that is probably his biggest achievement- that plus cycle lanes which are both very beneficial.
    I just wish he had done more on the big ticket issues and highlighted ABP as the department that’s holding the country back.



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