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HVO100 diesel fuel.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This has likely been thought through by the manufacturers (of HVO) so, no, it wouldn't scare me. There's misinformation being spread the whole time by the oil industry to keep their sales high. They must be running scared haha!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I was just in Certa near Little Island in Cork. HVO is being sold at 172.9, petrol is currently 168.9 and diesel is 164.9.

    8c a litre between diesel and hvo is a fiver a fill of a difference, not worth going out of my way to find it. And diesel can be found in Cork for 159.9, so that's more like €8.50 of a difference per fill.

    Annoying when they said originally it would stick at same price as diesel.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oil is still cheap and in most parts of the world, the Irish Government have used car owners as cashcows milking us for decades and one reason I will never again buy any new cars due to all the tax.

    Petrol and diesel would probably be under 1 Euro per litre only for all the tax. heating oil and gas same thing. We're being screwed and it's not like adding carbon tax is going to have any impact on global emissions, all this green agenda is just gasslighting people into accepting higher and higher taxes.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is down to the Government and their hatred now towards anything ICE powered and refuse to lower tax on HVO and I guarantee they would apply the same level of tax on efuels because at the end of the day tax is the goal they can gasslight all they want !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭kaahooters


    why are you now dragging up a comment from 2 months ago?

    oils not cheap anywhere, you cant seem to grasp that "but its 9c a 100l in dubai" so? no transport costs amogunst 100s of oterh reasons. . you keep blaming the government, stop voting them in. you dont like it, go to england, would suit you over there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,126 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    But do your timber pellets come from timber waste? The biggest power station in the U.K. is called Drax and it is so large that it was once a separate listed company. Originally coal-fired, it was converted at great expense to use timber pellets with huge subsidies. Investigations showed that a significant portion of the pellets derived directly from forests (some virgin) and not as waste from timber mills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Is there a list or map showing all of the locations where HVO is available in Ireland?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Laois saw mills produce the pellets on site from timber waste from their sawmill, I get the pellets direct from here, in fact, I think they're the only or the largest source of pellets in Ireland, most retailers selling the pellets are rebranded but come from laois sawmills. They make so many the vast majority are sold to the U.K they told me.

    This will be our 3rd heating season now with no foreign oil used, all produced in Ireland.

    They also sell the pellet stoves, We've had no issue so far, it's made by Klover an Italian company. It's a boiler stove heating around 15 rads. We don't have them all on all the time.

    It's definitely a lot more work than oil or gas and the bags are 15 Kg, if you got a big dry shed you can get the pellets in 1.5 tonne bags and they cost a lot less if you were to add up per 15 Kg bag but they work out around 7 euro a bag bought in bulk of around 30 odd bags.

    A bag will last us a day from 6 am to 10-11 Pm at night this time of year not heating all rads on lowest setting and water temp around 55 deg C which is enough for a snug house, crank it up to 60 deg and power level 5 and we could use 2 - 2.5 bags a day in the coldest weather. We were going through 2 - 2.5 1000l Tanks a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I posted links / maps of hvo sites a little bit back in this thread.

    Some home heating oil suppliers also stock it, many have pumps at their depots where they sell all types of fuel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,369 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So add back in the Sulfur for lubrication, back to square one, makes no sense. I don't think anything is added back in. In the US Bosch CP4 injector pumps fail a lot, law suits there over it, in Europe that pump is more reliable, as a lot of sulfur in European fuel, plus a blend of biodiesel, so the pumps here don't seem to fail, but on HVO, a fuel with no lubrication, those pumps will fail, and the Bosch CP4 pumps are on almost everything, from a Audi to a Volvo and everything in between.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭Birka


    To meet current EN590 standards after 2014, diesel has to have a maximum level of 0.001% sulpher. This allows Euro 6 emissions standards to be met. Sulpher has been replaced by lubricity additives and the same additives are added to diesel meeting EN590 standards and HVO100 meeting EN15940 standards.

    There is no lubricity issue with HVO100 from the pumps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I filled up there today 170⁹/L

    Yes it costs more than regular diesel there which is 162⁹

    But keep in mind

    Regular diesel is min 51 cetane

    Miles Plus is a minimum of 54 cetane

    HVO100 is between 70 and 90 cetane, and has no or virtually no ash, which is great for your dpf.

    You're getting a better fuel for your engine, for a small premium.

    People here (before the EV owning cyclists took over) always said they wanted premium fuel and would pay for it, the reality is, people will buy the cheapest available.

    If you want a premium diesel fuel, then HVO100 is the answer.

    • "You" is referring the the general population not the OP

    Gotta State that, cos people/cats/it's, get offended



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes before I moved to EV I was spending about a grand a year on various maintenance issues that probably would have been much less had HVO been an option for me at the time.

    My old diesel fuel tank was 70L, lasted me about a week and a half, 8c difference per liter is €5.60 on a full tank, less than €4 a week or €208 a year on average to save on what was €1,000 a year on maintenance is a complete no-brainer for any diesel driver

    Not every EV owner is a cyclist by the way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    You'd think they'd market it as such. I was unaware of the impact to dpf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭w124man


    I've been running HVO100 from three different suppliers in an OM602 Mercedes diesel and a VW PD130 diesel engine for over a year now and for me there is no real downside. Vehiclewise, fuel filters last longer, engine oil and filters last longer as it doesn't soot the oil up as quickly. It has no Sulphur content so doesn't burp out sulphuric acid from the tailpipe. Its also very easy on the DPF and almost removes the need to do a re-gen. Other advantages are cooler running, smoother running, better cold starting, 10 year storage and no diesel smell. All for a few cent more!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭w124man


    There is no sulphur in HVO100 as EN15940 doesn't allow it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,369 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,759 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Sulphur in diesel has been massively reduced over the past 20 years.

    Topaz used Keropur-D ,as the secret additive to increase lubricity and give the more miles, then after circle k took over, the secret formula was changed to Lubrizol.

    Every major fuel supplier use some form of lubricity additive in fuel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭w124man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,866 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Price of regular Diesel and HVO is the same at the local filling station, 162.9 so I use HVO only…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    So I've been using this for almost exclusively for 2years, not a single fuel or engine related problem,

    Power is (seems) slightly up, and fuel economy is about the same.

    Last week I paid 168.⁹/l for hvo

    anytime I've used regular diesel (when abroad) the engine is slightly noiser.

    Anyone else been using hvo long term ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Where did you get it for 168? I had been using it but locally the price difference between hvo and diesel got too large to stomach (I've been able to get diesel in the 169 range, hvo is regularly 185+)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    There seems to be a massive price difference with this and diesel at some stations. Circle K is one.

    I filled up last at Inver in Kilkenny for 171.9c, it was 2c more than the diesel the last few times I was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,609 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In fairness they only claim up to 90% emissions reduction ie between 0% and 90%. If there's a 1% reduction that falls into this bracket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    I couldn't find a flying f uck where it comes from, once it reduces dpf build up & has a higher cetane number.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭Garzard


    I have a 2018 TDI Passat - interested in knowing if this would accept HVO100. Although it's a Japanese import I assume there's no differences in the engine - would it be best to confirm compatibility by sending the VIN to VW?



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