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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,488 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    He may have believed what he was saying at the time. He said there will be a further examination of the issue that was raised by Sky News. If the IDF caused Hind's death then it was unintentional. Therefore, his error is academic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    So another one of your in depth and considered analyses, if they committed a war crime they didn't mean it. ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Ah c'mon. That's farcical.

    They did their investigation he said. The result of that investigation was not that they didn't know, it was that the IDF were not in that area…….until confronted with irrefutable photographic evidence to the contrary…….the best he could do was to try to imply that it was the photographs which were suspicious…..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,959 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Unintentional killing of civilians is not a war crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,997 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Intentional killing is and that's what Israel is clearly doing. You either agreeing with them or just not caring doesn't excuse it. Useful idiot etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,539 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    And trying to excuse the deliberate killing of children, what the hell is wrong with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,488 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Get a grip. You always come unstuck on serious threads. Deliberately deluded or easily fooled. Only muslims right?

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I'd say the Hamas lads indicted by the ICJ would be happy to have you giving the verdict on their cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The IDF shot a 16 year girl who was just inside her room with a sniper rifle this is a war crime it makes no military sense it's just diabolical evil behavior

    Go to new yorker.com interview with Howard Jacobson. He says talking about the idf shooting children is a blood libel against Jews

    Eg **** the truth don't mention any fact that might perhaps insult the Jewish faith

    So he's an intellectual writer in favor of censorship of the press or anyone who writes on the web

    He makes some weird twisted argument that the IDF has to destroy Hamas it's been attacked by Hamas so basically Anything is justified order to defend Israel even if it involves killing innocent women and children ah sure that's too bad

    Once you ban reasonable debate or people telling the truth for any reason than up is down black is down

    Its obscene for a writer to say people should not talk about civilians or children being killed as it might reflect badly on the Jewish religion

    He should give up writing and go work for a charity or shut the f up

    Reality is just what any political or priest says it is as long as it can be said to protect a religious faith or group

    This is the logic of the Taliban

    Any action or violence is ok censorship is ok

    Women cannot speak or play music in their own

    Home as its against some obscure religious tenet we can ban all music or art as it might insult the prophet

    We can kill anyone it's fine as they might insult our religion

    www.newyorker.com

    Its not behind a pay wall

    Its weird as it twists logic so much to justify not insulting Jews

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A democracy in the sense that the government, media and most of the general public are far right and settler colonialists. Theoretically they have 'free' elections, but it's a hugely dysfunctional society and opposition to the mainstream opinion is hugely frowned on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I don't think most people in Israel are extreme far right but the coalition of conservative groups are in power right now there are non Jewish minorities living in Israel too



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It didn't come out of a vacuum but Hamas are scum. And while I'm not saying you support what they did (people here can be very dishonest and say rubbish like that) I disagree with you giving it something of a justification, when civilians were murdered en masse and this happened:

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    And IDF soldiers laughing at Palestinian casualties doesn't make Hamas laughing at Israeli casualties OK. Both are scummy. I'm highly critical of the Israeli military's bombardment of Gaza, but 7th Oct was also atrocious. Plus, Hamas KNEW the Israeli retaliation would be horrifically extreme.

    E.g. When it comes to the north of Ireland, I'm nationalist all the way, but Enniskillen and Warrington were just atrocities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    Well that would be true if you only read half of my argument. I said the two peoples should live together as they both have a legitimate claim to that stretch of land. Why do you keep ignoring that part of what I am saying?

    Also, it is nice for you to finally acknowledge that the stretch of land is the Jewish homeland, "It's a far more recent event than the Jews losing their homeland 2 millennia ago" your words.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Yes october 7th was bad but does it justify lol killing 40,000 civilians and blocking food and medical supplies to Gaza and killing medical workers and shooting children with snipers

    If Israel becomes a pariah state it will have negative effects on it's economy in the long term



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,806 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Irish people did stuff like that at one time. There was a period of Irish history where Irish "rebels" would raid protestant landowners and kill their families. they would torture and mutilate the bodies of their victims.

    I'm not saying it was right. It's 100% not right. But it's one of those things that will eventually happen if a group of people are pushed far enough. It's not a justification. It's not an excuse for their actions. But it is a reason.

    The only way that this entire conflict can end is if there's peace between the two sides. Or with the complete destruction of one of them. Otherwise there will continue to be conflict.

    And the peace will have to be something that both sides think is fair, or at the very least equally unfair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭gw80


    Indeed,

    I wonder where all these Jewish nazis went after the war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    They don't care anymore than the average German cared in 1942 about what happened to the Jews. Both campaigns based on ethnic hatred and belief in superiority



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A big problem is that opposition to the regime's actions in Gaza and Lebanon is hugely frowned upon. Yes, people can take to the streets and say they don't like Netanyahu's government, but once they start criticising the IDF and the military action, they are accused of being 'traitors' and anti-Israeli and even anti-Semitic - the type of stuff you'd expect to see in an authoritarian state, not a normal democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭taratee


    Not even close to far right. Israel is a very liberal country. The groups that are in power now are ultra-conservative. I think they are dangerous. The majority of Israelis wouldn't have any time for Ben Gvir, Smotrich & Co. Israel pre-October 7th was as liberal or even more liberal than Ireland.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭taratee


    Are you for real? Why would they be out protesting against the war in Gaza? Put yourself in the position of an Israeli citizen. Would you be out marching in support of the people who carried out the terrorist attacks on October 7th?

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You can be liberal on social issues and yet still be 'far right' - far right can often refer to ultra nationalism or right wing nationalism with a big chip on its shoulder and that would definitely apply to the Israelis.

    The defining thing about Israeli people at the moment is how they feel about their neighbours, the occupied regions and the war, not what they think about homosexuality, women's rights, same sex marriage etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭mountain


    ah, so you are saying the 40,000 slaughtered were responsible for the 7th October attacks,

    I didn’t realise that Israeli stooges were a thing

    And you shove your “Am Yisrael Chai” where the sun don’t shine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They would proteesting against the killing of civilians in Gaza. It should go without saying that the 15k kids Israel have killed in Gaza did not carry out the 7 October attacks. I say it should go without saying but alot of pro israeli posters do not seem to care about these victims.

    They are innocents. Marching against the killing of innocents is not Marching for terrorists.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So why did they elect the most extreme right wing government in the history of the state. The liberal coalition that was in before lasted less than a year before it collapsed.

    The government reflects the people preferences and it has been lekud for decades.

    Israel may have started out as a liberal democracy - but they abandoned that back in the eighties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, liberal on social issues but hard right or far right nationalism politically. Being liberal on social issues counts for next to nothing if you are supporting the commission of war crimes or even a genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Exactly, given the extreme views, mores and outlook of people who call them self Palestinians, it would be a much bigger shi5hole than the shi5hole neighbours.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,898 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The far right in Europe evolved, like any good pathogen by realising that stances traditionally adopted by conservatives such as opposition to same sex marriage offered no political returns. Instead, they could pretend to be concerned about LGB people. It's ultimately a facade and an easily spotted one at that.

    Anyone who thinks that a grubby little genocidal ethnostate is liberal clearly doesn't understand what "liberal" means. It's a philosophy centred around an individual's right to live, speak freely and own property.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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