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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Would that be like the IDF soldier gloating on camera about murdering a female child whilst also stating his disappointment at not seeing any pregnant women to get two kills with one bullet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    If you oppose ISIS and the islamic caliphate are you anti muslim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I think the problem is that many posters will say "yes" because they see them all as the same thing anyway …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Anyway another day no news , you can just picture the amount of behind the scenes meetings going on. It seems like a big old game of X's and O's , every big move has a counter move so I guess that is a good thing! the Houtis seem like one group that could be taken off the chess board without annoying too many people but could be sold as a win.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,802 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    All you needed to say was Tzipi Hotovely and I would have gone Ahhhh right :D



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The level of brutality and joy from the brutalisers was animalistic

    What would expect to grow out of a population that you dehumanise and keep in a open prison for decades?

    A bunch of Buddhists scaling the prison walls?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The big attack on Iran has been put on permanent hold as it would result in the ultimate destruction of Israel. At that point we might really be looking at WW3 as Israel unleash the Sampson option on all its neighbours.

    Iran has the ability to produce nuclear weapons now and that is why Israel is not attacking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    “They are shooting at us. The tank is next to me.” But the call was cut off by what sounded like gunfire.”


    For those claiming the IDF weren’t in the location of Hind Rajab, how many tanks do Hamas have?? Because above is a quote from her cousin in the car with her. Lying Zionist scum, sky should have cut him off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I dont think Nuclear weapons is the specific reason, the US will force Israel to not do anything too radical and China will keep Iran from doing anything too radical, the only avenue is baiting the other side into escalation as an excuse

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,206 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    No.

    It is horrific.

    We need to be aware of concept creep when we use language. Genocide is a very particular thing, one of, if not the worst things Humans are capable of doing. If we label every act of war as a Genocide we dilute the meaning of that word. Words have impact and meaning.

    Now, in more lighter notes, hopefully the USA's threat will make Israel think twice about killing innocent civilians.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    I think the political insatiable in the USA for the last 8 years has made the foes of the USA and the West, chance their arm.

    Hopefully the West can stabilise and watch these foes scurry back into the shadows.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    Israel pre-dates the Palestinians, by a good couple of thousands of years, and no this isn't because some mythical books says so, but rather hard archeology evidence confirms that they inhabited that region.

    Now, that said it doesn't undo the Palestinians more recent claim to the land.

    Both have a legitimate claim to that stretch of land.

    Itnis an ugly, complex mess, that will not be resolved by simple binary thinking.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The threat has been that Israel will attack the Iranian nuclear facilities, for which they would need American armaments.

    It hasn't happened because Israel would be flattened and America do not want to facilitate the starting of WW3 for a man who they despise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Maybe until November 6th? I can't imagine Biden would be thrilled at oil prices going mental just before the election.

    The US just shipped advanced anti-missile systems and 100 crew to operated it (THAAD) to Israel. That seems to signal Israel's plans to strike Iran at some point. In what way they do that is key to how this situation continues/escalates. Given that, in my opinion, the Iran strike was clearly communicated in advance - I think we've been here before where Iran figures it has to respond but isn't particularly interested in starting a war - a massive bombardment of Iran is hardly proportionate. The US likes to portray them as some sort of existential threat to the US themselves but I don't see it myself.

    Israel's response will cause a return to the status quo or the beginning of a wider regional conflict. I guess we wait and see…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    Again, Muslim Arab's can hold high positions (a Judge on the Israeli Supreme Court of Justice) of authority within Israel openly. They do not have to hide their Arab ethnicity, or their Islamic faith.

    During the reign of Nazi Germany, which committed one of the world's worst acts of Genocide it was impossible for an openly Jewish person to hold authority.

    Why do I mention this, because it is important to understand just how much weight is with the word 'Genocide'. It is possible to condemn Israel, without using that word, which I have done several times on this platform, and I will do it again here... Israel is committing war crimes against the people of Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon. Unarmed civilians are being killed, infrastructure is being destroyed, both are being done deliberately.

    The conflict is very ugly, and very complex. We need to understand the nuances. Seeing things in a Black & White way is too simplistic for the modern world, especially it's conflicts.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Oisin - I happen to agree with you it was brutal and uncalled for - there was no excuse for October the 7th but again Id say it didnt happen for no reason.

    It was the reaction of a regime (Hamas) that saw its people treated like sh1t by the Israelis for decades. Something had to give and that was October the 7th.

    Do you think the reaction would have been any different if it was only IDF that was targeted on October the 7th? I honestly dont think it would have been - Israel would still have fired indiscriminately at so called places harbouring terrorists.

    You mentioned Hamas "enjoying" the slaughter - Theres plenty of videos of IDF celebrating shooting civilians, destroying buildings etc.

    Ive said it multiple times - If Israel want to be taken seriously and show themselves off to be the democratic idealistic paradise of the middle east that it thinks it is they should be the bigger person and use constraint and not turn defending the country into attacking its neighbours and especially not your neighbours civilians.

    By all means defend your country - you are entitled to do that but protect civilians and obey international law.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Since all Israeli citizens are army reservists, it can very reasonably argued that all adult israeli citizens are legitimate targets for independence fighters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,250 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I didn't see the 20,000 ids murdered in Gaza fighting anyone either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    I've seen a lot of idiotic posts in my time, but that's right up there. More casual racism, more turning a blind eye to the inhumanity of the Israelis, but sure they're the same colour as us, so their lives matter more. Let's forget about history and reset the clock on October.

    I'd be interested to know if you are affiliated to a far right group or sympathise with them?

    As for you bringing up wellwhatabout, jesus christ. Is all of this lost on you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,250 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You want to see murderers laughing at people dying -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTQnPgT6OQw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,039 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Genuinely think the Middle East would potentially be a lot more peaceful if Iran actually had a nuclear deterrent. It would curtail Israel's ability to act with regard to real consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Most Israelis are not white. If you even had a bare notion of the place you'd already have known that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Apologies, hadn't realised that I had given percentages in my post



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They have signalled that they have all the components and can assemble a bomb in a week. The fact that Israel has not attacked their nuclear facilities means that they believe them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Apology accepted.

    Unless you are from the middle east the very most of Israelis do not look like you. Especially so if you are of European ancestry.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The ICJ judges would be well aware of the gravity of taking a genocide case.

    They found the SA case for genocide as plausible. But they did also place directives on Israel to prevent genocide. Therefore, they must have had the notion that Israeli genocide was (is) possible.

    Note that is the SA case that is plausible - not that Israel committing genocide is plausible.

    Regardless of the ICJ, my reading of the definition of genocide leads me to the conclusion that Israel is committing genocide. But that's an opinion.

    Let's wait for the ICJ ruling.

    And the ICC of course for their progress on alleged war crimes by Israel and Hamas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Smotrich and Ben Gvir are two particularly distasteful human beings. And they've no problem being very public about ethnic cleansing and the committing of war crimes.

    They are both mentioned multiple times in the evidence for genocide in terms of "intent".



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