Israel are going to start WWIII

So what exactly would this do for 'our citizens' other than blow money down the chimney er sorry into the pockets of war machinery manufacturers, Kermit?

We're heading for full on war rhetoric in Europe again and massive spending increase on weapons all on the back of this imaginary Russian 'threat' and people just suck this up as if it made any sense. And of course no country must be left out we all must increase our billions.

Like seriously how easily manipulated are we eh?

Yes, because Putler would never dream of invading yet more European countries 😏

It doesn't matter that Putler's merry band of Russian murders, kidnappers and rapists have been starting wars with Russia's neighbours constantly for the last 20 years nor that they're waging a new Cold War on the West …

Israel cannot fight Hamas in the way it currently is without killing large numbers of innocent civilians.

The direct equivalent would have been the British military bombing residential parts of West Belfast and the Bogside daily during the Troubles in order to kill IRA members (and declaring attacks where two IRA members and 50 Catholic civilians died a 'success').

How does that compare to the Hamas run Gaza strip or other Palestinian lands?

There are major differences between the Israel-Palestine conflict and the Troubles.

1. The depravity of all sides was limited. AFAIK that conflict was so "quaint" if that's the right word that paramilitaries used to give telephone warnings of planted bombs, at least on some occasions.
2. The dispute was over the 6 counties - nobody ever sought the complete destruction of either the Republic of Ireland or the United Kingdom. The IRA for example never wanted to destroy Britain and wipe out all the Protestants, likewise the Ulster Loyalists did not have an issue with the existence of the Republic. This is not true with Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah as these are fights to the death.
3. The threat to civilians in England was much more limited even during the worst phases and the people of England faced almost none of the threats that the people of Israel have to deal with. English people for example did not have to live within 15 seconds of a bomb shelter, as Israelis do today.

For all of these reasons, there was neither need nor justification for the UK to move to an all-out war state.

UK government still going with the 'Israel has the right…' nonsense to excuse the slaughter

Good question, and in part, you may have answered it; an all out war over the Troubles would have been an absolute nightmare. We should thank our lucky stars that the stakes never got that high.

In the end, I think the Troubles were fought to a stalemate: the IRA were doing serious damage to the UK with the "Mainland Campaign" but the British government had begun to seriously infiltrate the IRA with spies and double agents. As I understand it, The Good Friday Agreement was basically a way for everyone to say "we'll just split the difference and let bygones be bygones."

And thank **** too because I dread to think what the alternative would have been.

I don't know why I bother but i am curious.

When will we know that Hamas are destroyed? How will Israel know? When will the all out war be over? Are Hamas even a credible force anymore? How many women and children have to die or be maimed before Israel will know for sure? Roughly? Until every hospital, school, refugee camp is rubble? Gaza looks completely flattened (no electricity, no running water, no sewage treatment etc). When can Gaza start rebuilding their country again? When can they start building orphanages for the 17,000 children orphaned in the past year? When can they start long term treatment for the physically and mentally injured? When will there be a so called safe area in Gaza that doesn't get bombed? When will the borders be opened fully to humanitarian aid? When will daily life return to normal (work, love, leisure etc)? When will you get a sense of decency? When will the international press be allowed in?

Take your time.

At minimum I expect Israel is hoping to eliminate Yahya Sinwar (the current head of Hamas), recover the remaining hostages without giving Hamas any kind of ransom, destroy the tunnel network and capture/destroy the majority of Hamas weapons and fighters.

The rest of the world IMHO needs to act, I'd like to see more sanctions on Iran and more aid for Ukraine.

So a never ending war. Israel will never really know when they have achieved any of that so can continue to bomb and kill and maim at will. I mean, they seem to be enjoying it and are now bombing areas that they already secured many months ago (northern Gaza, Jabalia). But hey, you don't give a fiddlers. War sucks...

it all seems very performative. Well the Israel-Iran part of the conflict, not the killings in Gaza and Lebanon.

Hardcore. Jews. Do not work they spend all day studying the Torah they are the most strict religious sect in the Jewish religious

A recent court case has said they can be recruited into the army for military service in time of war like anyone else

Israel is a liberal democracy unfortunately an extreme conservative group is in power right now

Some country's are now criticizing the IDF for attacking un peacekeepers

I think the world has grown tired of if not Israel, certainly this Netanyahu regime. He’s in situ almost 17 years as prime minister.

Israel has a sizeable population but a pretty small landmass….so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that if people get to have it in for them. Iron dome or otherwise….bad news..

For perspective, Ireland is 3.2 times bigger in size than Israel.

That said Iran are not believed to have Nuclear capability however… their military technology is basically third world and their air force seriously under resourced…. So.. despite a big military in terms of numbers. So what transpires now, anyone’s guess.

they have bombed schools & religious sites & healthcare facilities. Multiple times. Too many times for it to be accidental. If that isn’t a war crime / genocide it should be.

I agree it is a war crime, something Israel have done a lot in the past… and suffered very little consequences from the rest of the world.

Israel is essentially allowed to commit war crimes. Nowhere did I say it was an accident, it is a crime. However that doesn't mean it is Genocide. We have seen what Genocide looks like. Khemer Rogue killing fields, Nazi concentration camps, Soviet Holodomar, etc. While what is going on in Gaza, West Bank, and now Lebanon is horrific, calling it a Genocide is an emotive knee jerk response to modern conflict in areas of high population density.

The more advanced the war technology, the more civilians needless die.