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Andrew Tate

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  • #2252
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122709351#Comment_122709351

    lol



  • #2253
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122709414#Comment_122709414

    I absolutely agree and love your way of speaking to me.

    I absolutely despise Andrew Tate but I am not convinced he is guilty of what he is charged with.

    I will never respect the man, but I will never assume his guilt based on accusations



  • #2254
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122712009#Comment_122712009

    A classic example of prejudice.

    A trial.

    Already you have determined that there are definitive victims.

    I have my opinions, they might align with your preconcieved notions, but to be so prejudiced is exactly why nobody believes in law.



  • #2255
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122709351#Comment_122709351

    Misgendering.

    I wont report you though



  • #2256
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122709319#Comment_122709319

    They havent been found guilty… but they will be?

    PRE-judging.

    And you want me to take reports by the BBC as gospel?

    Jimmy Saville wants a word.

    Show me concrete evidence and dont deny me evidence from the contrary and I will be the first to condemn the dirty b¨stards.

    Stupid shite they say online is not evidence. If you were to take their ridiculous statements as proof, then you would also need to lend their denial of charges as legitimate too.

    You can´t pick and choose when you take them at their word to suit your bias



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  • #2257
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122712009#Comment_122712009

    I personally think that its terrible and I hope its proved to be not true.

    If it is true, Id be glad the truth came out and my sympathy will be with those involved.

    The fact that you are looking forward to it is a little odd



  • #2258
    Rocket_GD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122716995#Comment_122716995

    Do you genuinely believe that the multiple women in different jurisdictions who have reported him and provided statements are lying in their accusations?

    Ostensibly if you do not believe them you believe them all to be liars.



  • #2259
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717037#Comment_122717037

    BBC would be wide open for legal action if it turned out to false. Also pretty clear they access to voice notes, messages etc. Also worth remembering that Savile was exposed by an itv documentary. So you've been presented with pretty credible evidence that will likely be used in any trial. But now it's "BBC might be lying in conjunction with the numerous women lying".… So at this point, it's seeming a bit odd that you still seem to be jumping to defend him.



  • #2260
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717057#Comment_122717057

    No.

    I don´t think they are liars.

    But I also don´t assume they are telling the truth.

    Do you believe everything you are told?

    Will you believe it more if the telly tells you to on multiple stations?

    I go with common sense and a fair trial. Not on mob rule.



  • #2261
    Rocket_GD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717069#Comment_122717069

    You live in perpetual scepticism.

    No I do not believe everything I am told but when there are MULTIPLE accusers from different jurisdictions all with extremely similar scenarios/complaints then by the laws of probability or as you put it common sense would indicate that at least some of these illegal events occurred.

    You do not believe the accusers, not believing them is essentially thinking they're lying, the police and legal system does believe them hence charges being filed. Good to know that you're more experienced in witness/victim examination than the police in these jurisdictions.



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  • #2262
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717067#Comment_122717067

    BBC would be wide open for legal action if it turned out to be false.

    A great opening line.

    So….

    Let´s see if the Tate Brothers are guilty.

    Let the evidence prove their guilt.

    If it does, then let them serve their sentence and see them as who they are.

    If it doesn´t……………………..

    Two choices…

    They are innocent men who have views you don`t like and you will accept them as such…

    or the stupid people didnt find them guilty enough.

    Be honest.

    you wont be convinced of their innocence regardless of what happens, yet i can be convinced of their guilt.

    be honest.

    You are prejudical.

    you cant be rational.



  • #2263
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717101#Comment_122717101

    Sure thing, I have looked at the available evidence and he looks guilty as sin. Not sure why you're so intent on defending him though. It's pretty odd.



  • #2264
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717094#Comment_122717094

    I do love that and will take that.

    Yes, I do belive im in perpetual scepticism.

    I think everyone should.

    The fact you think thats a bad thing speaks volumes.

    I don´t believe everything. I am sceptical until I know or am presented with the facts.

    There are MULTIPLE people who believe the same things Gemma Doherty believes. Should I assume that is true?

    There are MILLIONS of people that support Donald Trump and also Kamala Harris….. Are they all correct even though they are opposed?

    Or are you just using the rule of many to support something you believe in?

    I dont assume anything to be true just because I am told it.



  • #2265
    Rocket_GD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717123#Comment_122717123

    Supporting presidential candidates or believing a persons views on a topic is extremely different than multiple accusations of RAPE, SEXUAL ASSAULT of MINORS and TRAFFICKING.

    If you think they're in anyway similar we're done here.

    Enjoy your continuous "non defence" of Andrew Tate.



  • #2266
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717114#Comment_122717114

    Ooooof. We are still at the fact that I have said that

    1. I think the is an idiot
    2. I think he is an odious oaf
    3. I would celebrate his sentence if found guilty
    4. i rarely, if ever, agree with his words
    5. I do not support him but want him to be given the chance to defend himself

    That is defending him?

    because you have looked on the internet and saw a man you didnt like and have judged him as guilty as sin?

    Admit it, you don´t like him becuase its popular to not like him. You have no proof. But it´s ok to hate him because he isn´t on "your side" so you do it.

    Well f(k it so. Everyone that hates me is guilty because lots of people say so..

    Ridiculous.



  • #2267
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717163#Comment_122717163

    Accusations are accusations.

    If the Tate brothers are guilty, I hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    If you think that the fact that I am not presuming them to be guilty is somehow defence…

    That´s actually terrifying.



  • #2268
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,666 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The strawmanning is pathetic. Everyone believes in due process and it'd be wrong to call the Tates rapists before they have their day in court but I think it's perfectly fair to say that their long history of grifting and misogyny, along with the volume of accusations deserve to be considered.

    Odd that I'm supposed to believe that Jordan Peterson has helped legions of men with no evidence or any other modern right trope for that matter. Asking for evidence on one of those topics triggers abuse a lot of the time.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2269
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717057#Comment_122717057

    Just saw this.

    I assume you are a man Gary.

    If a woman said you raped her, would you believe her?

    You mighnt have thought so but it is her experience.

    If three women said it… would you believe them?

    If she got her friend from a different country to say you did it too when you were there, would you believe it?

    If not, why not?

    Because you know you didnt do it.

    Do I think it´s plausible that the Tates are dirty bastards that have done illegal things?

    Yes

    Do I think its plausible that women are lying about the Tates?

    Yes

    So perhaps we wait and see.



  • #2270
    Rocket_GD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717232#Comment_122717232

    You're now implying that women who make accusations are vindictive and caniving. You're disdain and mistrust for your own gender is odd Yvonne.

    As I said I'm done with discussing this with you.



  • #2271
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717210#Comment_122717210

    You forgot to say "whataboutary".

    You say **** like you have authority. Unless you are speaking as a mod, you can be called out for your bullshit.

    Everyone knows the tates are infamous for their infammatory words and misogynistic attitudes. Thats not in question. They are going on trial for it. Somehow, the fact there is a court case means nothing. They are guilty to you.

    And with regards to Jordan Peterson, you don´t believe that he sells out arenas across the world with his talks doesn´t help men?

    It doesn´t help you.

    You don´t have to hate or demonise what you don´t like to hear. Just dont listen.

    And aby "abuse" you have recieved, is purely a relection of what you have given out.



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  • #2272
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717245#Comment_122717245

    Excuse me?

    Lets play with your logic.

    You are telling me how much I should trust my "gender" ?

    As a man, what gives you that right?

    How dare you, as a man, tell me that I am wrong?

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR…………….

    Does a woman´s word hold more than a man´s?

    You´ve accused me of pretty much being a traitor to my "gender" (I am a woman, sex, not gender btw)

    Are you saying that if a man is accused by a woman of any crime, it should hold more weight?

    I know Gary you are trying to be lovely and an example to all men, but that is so sexist and demeaning.

    I don´t believe all women, I dont believe all men.



  • #2273
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717037#Comment_122717037

    The BBC is reporting from prosecution evidence that has been made available to them. Other respected media are doing similar. All pretty damning stuff.

    The stupid stuff they say online is VERY much evidence for the prosecution. Andrew Tate's videos and statements on the coercion and exploitation of women is illegal in many jurisdictions and his use of his own recommended model to earn cash is going to result in his incarceration. You don't describe how to commit a crime, then commit it and follow on by denying all knowledge. Won't work. The accusations of physical abuse, threats, rape, sex with a minor and other charges being successful will depend on the prosecution's case and the reliability of witnesses. The evidence presented thus far, and that continuing to be gathered from further charges, imply that at least some of these will result in guilty verdicts. Pre-judgement without any evidence is to be condemned. Not the case here.

    From the information in the public domain the brothers have sod all chance of acquittal. They'll likely be jailed in Romania then transferred to England to complete the sentence whereupon they'll face the charges from Bedfordshire police. They will not be at large for a good decade, possibly 15 years.



  • #2274
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717898#Comment_122717898

    I´ve already said that there is a compelling case and on what I have seen, I would not be surprised if it was true.

    I just think that while they still deny it and there is a case yet to go to trial, we should not prejudge.



  • #2275
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717929#Comment_122717929

    We are not precluded from making judgements on the case. None of us is directly involved with it and thus not interfering with the course of justice.

    We cannot call them rapists of traffickers until the court gives that verdict. We can however state that they are guilty of exploitation, coercion and abuse when they've displayed that all over their various media and then enacted it in Romania (and possibly the UK). They are going to be incarcerated based on that alone and too pretend otherwise is disingenuous or naive. On the stronger charges we will have to await the trial(s) but it does not look good for either of them. They stupidly and patronisingly miscalculated on assessing the integrity oof the Romanian officials.



  • #2276
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717952#Comment_122717952

    I´m not precluding you. You are entitled to think whatever you think. Once you dont state is as fact, having an opinion is absolutely ok.

    I´m just saying that I would like to see them go to trial to defend themselves.

    I also said that I would like to see them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if the evidence showed them to be guilty.

    Somehow, that opinion makes you and a good few others paints me as a rapist sympathiser.



  • #2277
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717001#Comment_122717001

    I think Tate is a despicable human being, call that prejudice if you like, I don't care.

    Your last sentence makes no sense, nobody believes in law? The Burke family don't and see where that got them.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #2278
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717053#Comment_122717053

    So you hope all of his accusers are lying? Bizarre.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #2279
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718050#Comment_122718050

    I don´t like tate either. But I wont judge him guilty because I am told to. Doesn´t make me like him.



  • #2280
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718063#Comment_122718063

    Yes. I hope none of the accusers actually suffered sexual assaults or any of the other disgusting things they said happened.

    You hope they did?

    Not bizarre… Deranged.



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  • #2281
    Yvonne007
    Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122717915#Comment_122717915

    Commenting about someone who you have chosen to ignore is up there on my list of speaking for the sake of speaking. You dont want to hear what someone has to say but are willing to join in on a pile on.



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