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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭political analyst


    The Israeli journalist Doron Kadosh has reported that Hezbollah bunkers were found a few metres from a UNIFIL post. Kadosh filmed the entrance to the Hezbollah base. The footage can be seen on the following link. Marco C Sermoneta quoted Kadosh's original post and Sermoneta's post was re-posted by Kadosh.

    https://x.com/MarcoCSermoneta/status/1845502479871443084



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I never said I didn't care . Just pointed out the stupidity of everyone jumping up and down with no evidence.

    Same way everyone was up in arms over Israel firing at a hospital in Gaza at the start of the war and it turned out to be a Hamas rocket. Didn't see anyone jumping up and down then.

    My family have served in the military for 3 generations so get off your soap box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    So you are criticising Israel for attacking outposts? Because that is definitely happening and should be criticised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Considering that part of their original mandate was to ensure that Hezbollah moved north of the Litani river, and that far from doing anything about that, they spent a year sitting there "observing" Hezbollah firing thousands of rockets into civilian areas from well south of the Litani, why would you expect them to grow a backbone against Israel for having had enough of that? Wouldn't that signal some degree of effective support for Hezbollah's past actions?

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  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I pointed out that they were accused without any evidence and the UN had to row back .

    I also pointed out they were blamed for hitting a hospital( after all it has to be Israel) and the evidence showed it was Hamas. I never heard our so called leaders jumping up and down to condemn Hamas for the hospital being hit

    Heard today on radio a Unifil commander saying they weren't sure yet who fired at them as both sides are firing but it must be Israel yadda yadda yadda. If you're going to accuse someone,at least have some evidence and none of this whataboutery.

    As for Unifil, what exactly have they achieved in all this time. Nothing except give some of my family a few tours to the Leb and a nice bonus at the end. They are there by their own admission to monitor and report back. It didn't stop Hezbollah firing at Israel for the last 12 months or the Israeli incursions into Lebanon over the years. They are absolutely toothless. They serve bo purpose.

    Same family member was in Chad and both sides firing at each other over the camp. Nothing to be done only hunker down and hope nothing fell on them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Did you not see the report from rte news where Israelis entered the unifil compound and then fired on it? The unifil troops were even in contact with the Israeli troops. 40 countries have come out against Israel attacking the unifil so I'm not really sure what more evidence you need. I would agree unifl have been useless but that doesn't give Israel the right to attack them. Perhaps you think these 40 countries have got it wrong and you are right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Well, UNIFIL were supposed to keep peace in Southern Lebanon. In that regard, given that Hezbollah has been operating there with absolute impunity, I'd say they've been about as useful as a chocolate teapot, and that's being kind.

    They should have left when it became clear after the 8th of October last year that they weren't actually going to do anything except sit on their hands and twiddle their thumbs. Failing that, they should leave now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Israel does not have the right to attack the unifil. I'm not sure why pro israeli posters continue to support these actions, they are just dragging israels reputation through the mud with very little strategic gain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    A lot of Irish have immense empathy towards a country being invaded and innocent people being slaughtered at the whim of absolute cnuts giving our own history!

    The israeli government and their supporters of the mass killings of innocents are an absolute plague!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I don't support Israel attacking UNIFIL personnel, but likewise I don't support UNIFIL still being there given that they've proven to be utterly useless - at best.

    Ireland should withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Why are posters who are objecting to the post being quoted here all busy giving likes to this one below?

    Isn't it saying the same thing, except that it goes further, since it implies that anyone who sees Israel's point of view must be islamophobic?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ireland has a mandate from the UN. Until that ends Israel should stop attacking ours and other countries troops there. It doesn't serve anyone's interests.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I referred to 1 instance twice. Did it confuse you?

    Any comments on Hamas firing on their own hospitals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am sure IDF will find Hezbollah bunkers all over South Lebanon. Does this mean they can fire at Unifil camps while looking for them? Rules of engagement say they can fire when fired upon. I didn't see any provocation from within Unifil camps. Did you?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes yes, they should obey the Israeli dictator. Clever thinking. We sure don't want any witnesses to what's happening in Lebanon.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It confused me that you still won't condemn Israel for attacking unifil troops. Do you think 40 countries have got it wrong regarding these attacks ( and this is not all based on one instance). Even biden has come out telling Israel to stop attacking the unifil.

    I am against everything hamas does and what they did to that hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You can't keep lying about things to cover up crimes.

    The following is, and has always been, their mandate there

    Monitoring cessation of hostilities and helping ensure humanitarian access to civilian population

    The reasons the zionists are trying to kill them and push them out is that the latter part of that mandate is a bit inconvenient to those planning and wishing to commit genocide said civilians.

    While they did not shoot down the less than 20% of rockets traveling from Lebanon to Israel, neither did they shoot down the greater than 80% of rockets which were fired in the other direction by the belligerents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well their presence certainly hasn't helped the nearly 70,000 Israelis who have been evacuated from the north of Israel for nearly a year now, so at what stage does the UN ever say "You know what, we've failed here and need a new mandate taking into account what we're actually able to do"?

    Does that ever happen?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭SeanW


    United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon - Wikipedia

    (UNIFIL) is a United Nations peacekeeping mission established on 19 March 1978 by United Nations Security Council Resolutions 425 and 426, and several further resolutions in 2006 to confirm Hezbollah demilitarisation, support Lebanese army operations against insurgents and weapon smuggling, and confirming Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, in order to ensure that the government of Lebanon would restore its effective authority in the area.

    Also:

    It is composed of 10,000 peacekeepers from 46 nations, tasked with helping the Lebanese Army keep the south of the country protected from "unauthorized armed personnel, such as Hezbollah".

    Hezbollah demilitarisation? Keeping the South of the country protected from "unauthorized armed personnel, such as Hezbollah?"

    Clearly they have been a massive success, and their mission should continue 😏 (note: sarcasm)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The fact remains. It is up to the UN to recall them. Israel has no right to order them to move or fire on them. It is outrageous that it will get away with this without any repercussions. That is 46 countries Israel could potentially kills troops from.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don't think UNIFIL have the necessary equipment to shoot down rockets. Besides, as you point out, that's not their mandate.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Randycove


    if the UN has 10,000 peace keepers in Lebanon to stop Israel and Hezbollah fighting, then they are clearly failing.

    UNIFIL either needs a new mandate where they can use force to enforce the peace, or the UN needs to pull them out. It must be very frustrating for the troops there not to be able to do their job. If someone drives a tank at a UN base, then it should be stopped using force if necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I think your reading the mandate incorrectly.

    There have been a number of posts about the UNIFIL mandate which are inaccurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Israel will have every one in the Middle East slaughtered soon …. Who will they start killing then ?? People in Africa - Europe ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Not anyone but a lot of people I imagine, yes. Only logical explanation at this point. Don't get me wrong, I see Islam as a backward and strange religion but it's just another organised religion in my book. Religions bring nothing but strife. Always have. However the women and children of Gaza had no choice when they were born. Being Palestinian/Muslim doesn't mean they can be wiped out at will by the IDF who see them as subhuman. And they are clearly not the only ones.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like a serious mass casualty event has taken place at a military base near Haifa which was attended by the head of the IDF

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Two things can be true at once:

    1. Israel should not attack UNIFIL troops and positions.
    2. UNIFIL is a complete joke that is at best as useful as a chocolate teapot, and they should leave voluntarily.

    As to the UN mandate, I'm assuming there's no reason Ireland could not withdraw its troops unilaterally.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Ireland cannot unilaterally withdraw.

    Besides, let's say they did. I'd bet all the other nations would be a tad miffed.

    But the Irish troops will not leave - they have a great deal of pride in wearing the uniform and serving their country.

    Unlike the IDF who simply enjoy killing any living thing and destroying any and all infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,860 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would agree. Ireland has shown no desire to leave. Hopefully with the international condemnation and words from Biden the attacks on UNIFIL will stop.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    By the same logic though, the Allies should not have attacked Nazi Germany.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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