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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,481 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You do love the muddy the water with nonsense. I have no idea what you are talking about because it's pure tangental waffle.

    Do you think I am anti Jewish? or anti Zionist or whatever label you use to distract and evade.

    I will tell you that I am very anti Rome. I hate what the Catholic church have done in this country. I have campaigned for the abuse survivors of the criminal Roman church for many years.

    I grew up Catholic but I am now atheist.

    I personally couldn't give two hoots if someone is Muslim, Jew, Hindu or Christian. It has very little impact on my daily life even though I'd love a more secular state. It's all nonsense to me believing in sky fairies.

    But most of all I hate war and I hate bullies. I cannot stand to see children hurt physically or mentally. I find it abhorrent. I also detest liars and I believe in justice. I see Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists and I also see the IDF and Netanyahu as terrorists who are on a terror campaign in Gaza and committing many many war crimes. I want it all to stop.

    Does this make me anti Jewish? Honest answer please to the actual question.

    If not, how could I possibly want to criticise Israel?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    A lot of what is happening in Gaza won't be clear until after this conflict has ended.

    I find people on here are keen to take "accounts" of Israeli war crimes as gospel no matter where they come from, and then on the opposite side, people instantly demand proof and verified sources when there's an "account" of Hamas using civilian infrastructure.

    Twitter and TikTok, all social media really, are a cesspit of misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda, on both sides.

    For example, I could counter your post by saying there's so many accounts of Hamas hiding in civilian buildings, firing weapons from civilian buildings, refusing to let people evacuate, and so on.

    But I'm not going to pretend that I could possibly know what's true and what's fake, or that those "accounts" are remotely reliable or non-partisan.

    Also, who's cheerleading genocide? I see this catchphrase thrown out a lot about "there's some on here…..X Y Z".

    Again, one could say there are people on here cheerleading Oct 7th, Iran, Hezbollah, etc. But it's just childish nonsense and it has no place in a rational discussion about what's happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,802 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Let's be honest, we all know the end game here.

    Look at the map of Israel now with the Gaza Strip and the West Bank included. Israel want that whole area as Israel, and Gaza and WB to no longer exist. This is what they are aiming towards.

    If they can drop a load of bombs on Iran and Lebanon while they are doing, they'll be happy with that too.

    Do we really see Gazans getting back in to live in Gaza? Sure there's nothing there, it's becoming a wasteland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The west supports Israel. Or at least the larger western countries. Israel knows it can do whatever it likes because of that . The west will only support innocent people in the region, like in Syria, when their killing is at the hands of regimes it doesn't like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    There was a never a rules based order it was a mirage to justify various American foreign policy adventures over the years. The problem for the Americans is the last year has shown this doctrine up for the sham it has always been. In essence what it really meant was do as we say, not what we do in practice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    There will reach a point when consciences (and public opinion) of some of the more reasonable ones will dictate that they have to change course. France/Spain/Italy have already come out condemning the attacks on the UN. Another UN soldier shot and injured today. At some point the populations in those countries will have to ask "why are we sending weapons to those who are not only committing genocide, but are also using those weapons to attack our own peacekeepers".

    The turning point will come



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. That's what I meant. The EU will follow America's lead. If in the extremely unlikely event the Americans decided to Sanction Israel in the morning the EU wouldn't be long doing the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Politicians are very good at maintaining the status quo. Labour got in the UK yet still the government is steadfast in supporting whatever Israel decides to do. Macron has made some efforts but really the biggest supporters of Ukraine, the US, UK, France and Germany will also continue to support Israel. No matter what crimes are revealed when this conflict ends or what the icc or icj say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't bring in the comparison, I just replied to your post, and my reply was on topic for that post.

    If you now think your own post was off-topic, maybe you should have a word with yourself.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    In fairness to the UK, they were first out of the blocks with a partial restriction on sales of arms to the zionists.

    Not nearly enough by a long shot, but they did get the ball rolling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Nothing off topic. Everyone is allowed to have their own interests and kinks as long as they don't hurt others - I was merely asking whether your own contributed to a fascination with one particular story.

    What do you think of that story I linked to for your buddy? The one about the rabbi convicted of enslaving and sexually assaulting dozens of women. Will you apply whatever "logic" you are applying to the Yazadi lady case to his case? One additional difference being that the rabbi case was decided as fact in a court of law so you cannot deny it.

    Wouldn't be another case of blatant hypocrisy now would it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Starmer has been disappointing with regard to Gaza. Like biden i think his support for israel is very personal. Very much doesn't look like that there is that much between labour and conservatives on the matter only that one is minutely better than the other in trying to rein in the israelis; like the Democrats in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭mountain


    let’s stop beating around the bush,

    Israel are blood thirsty, genocidal, out of control c unts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Didn't see it, but if a rabbi is legally allowed to enslave people, or is doing so openly and is tolerated by the people around him, either because of his status or because his relligion allows him to, then there's something seriously wrong there. Why on earth would you think I would be ok with that? You really must have a strange football-fan approach to life if that's genuinely what you expect to happen.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I do think it is important for the cracks to start showing somewhere. Because the zionists tend to be a very ungrateful and aggressive bunch. When Macron hinted not too long ago that they might start looking at what they are actually giving and decide whether they should continue, he received an immediate backlash. Unfortunately it worked that time and he backed off, but he couldn't really do that a second time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Seeing how biden was treated and yet he continues to beg for recognition by bibi makes me believe it won't change. Biden has shown some frustration here and there but the policies haven't changed. Israel probably recognises it has never has such overwhelming influence on western politicians as it has today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    US would be a particular case due to the strength of particular political lobbies over there. Those factors would hopefully not be as strong in other countries. You need the first domino to fall. Hopefully France will grow a set of balls - particularly given it's links to Lebanon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I hope so france has always been the most neutral country of the western countries that have a history in the region. But as seen in the Iraq war france that been ignored by UK and US. As long as US continues to support israels homicidal approach nothing will change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    If you are happy to extrapolate a particular story to encompass and dehumanise one particular demographic as savages, are you not happy to apply the same logic and extrapolation to a similar story (albeit a greater order of magnitude in terms of victims in the latter)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Equally we could say stop beating around the bush and say Israel is determined to destroy Hamas and Hezbollah, and deal a mortal blow to Iran, and they accept civilians as collateral damage in that aim, as opposed to be on some Holocaust 2.0 crusade. Is that acceptable? I am not saying it is. But is that their aim? I would say it would seem most likely.

    Is Israel committing war crimes? I am sure they are. Is Israel killing civilians as part of some genocidal masterplan to wipe out Palestine and satisfy a blood lust for the sake of a blood lust? I don't personally think so. That's my opinion though, you're entitled to disagree.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I guess the Lefties missed this when they had their "#AllEyesOnRafah"

    How convenient …

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,865 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1012/1475093-middle-east-tracker/

    I don think our peacekeepers are going anywhere so hopefully the Israelis stop targeting them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I provided an EU document which clearly explains how people who cry 'Zionist' use that as a method to disguise their ingrained anti-semitism.

    I posted that in reply to someone who tried to give me a lecture on Venn Diagrams, but provided the wrong data sets!

    If you don't want to read such links and educate yourself, that's up to you.

    Your childish insistance that what I'm hightlighting is not a real phenomonen is just ignorant. There are numerous scholarly articles available to persue. Describing a well written research paper as waffle is an attempt to discredit the substance of the article without investigating it.

    You can't have it both ways! You can't insist that you hate liars, but be a font of lies and misinformation yourself on the subject in hand. You contribute to the misinformation and clap on the falsehoods, while igoring hard truths when served to you on a plate.

    Whether you're anti-semitic or not, i don't know, but your rethoric would fit in well with right wing racists. You're obsessed with Jews, israel, Zionists. There's never a post critical of the other side in the war. Spend a few days endlessly posting for Hamas to end the war and Hezbollah to surrender, without a single critical word of israel. You haven't the heart for it. You're here to bash the Jews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,481 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am not reading all that. I don't need to read scholarly articles to find out who I am. Pathetic

    Do you honestly believe I am anti Jewish?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,481 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    By the way, I wasn't the poster who mentioned Venn diagrams. I just interjected.

    Also, can you find one post of mine which mentions Zionist? Just one please. I don't care about Zionism.

    And don't call me a racist you absolute pup.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    So this week there was a woman that was killed and chopped up. We had children stabbed outside their school last year and another case in Sligo where two gay men were murdered and dismembered. Were any of these crimes committed by Jewish people? It’s one religion that consistently carries out these type of attacks. Apparently it’s racist to point this out but it’s fine to scream Zionism and death to Israel when there’s a conflict a continent away. I guess it’s not racist when you do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,481 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I find it creepy that you would try to score points over that truly awful story. With a label thrown in for good measure just like Sheepy. I am glad her family got her back and it must have been a horrific ordeal. However is this story supposed to be a justification for what has happened in Gaza? As I said, quite creepy.

    What pro Hamas propaganda are we supposed to be falling for? I get my news primarily from RTE and the BBC and Googled articles.

    Sheepy thinks I am right wing, you think I am a leftie. Make up your mind.

    I dont know what AllEyesOnRafah means. I am not on Twitter.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,481 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Lebanese health ministry has said 2,255 people have been killed and 10,524 injured in Israeli attacks in Lebanon since 8 October last year, with 26 killed in attacks yesterday.

    I suppose some doubt these numbers too. I suppose Israel will say 50% were Hezbollah too.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,680 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    the nonsense was you referencing the arrival of people over the last 400 years as somehow less legitimate as those here before that.
    the nonsense is, if you rolled that measure out across the world then you’d be busy reorganising.

    peopke have been arriving here since the year dot - as they have been everywhere else in the world. You need you wind your clock forward 400 years and then maybe we could all work together as equals, in a less nationalistic manner, to improve the quality of life for all in the two countries inextricably linked and sharing this island. So yes, try to be less divisive



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,690 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    feel free to highlight where i exploited anything or anyone simply but pointing out that hamas leaders enslave humans? that alone would disgust a normal sane person, not generate panicky whatabouty

    you do realise that you too , or your children would be a target for enslavement or murder by people like hamas if the Islamic militants get what they want ?



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