Israel are going to start WWIII

One of them believes that Israel won't exist in 20 years times. Says it's only a matter of time before they are subject to an attack that they can't contain.

Is his name Moses? Because the man is a prophet. The reality is israel is 7 million fanatics trying to impose their will on hundreds of millions of people who they have given every reason to hate them. And as Iran has recently demonstrated, they have ballistic missiles. It's not the 1800s anymore - even the Houthis can fight off the entire might of the US Navy.

israel is doomed. If they were smart, they would be trying to negotiate a genuine settlement from the strongest position they will ever hold. But they aren't smart.

Alright, alright. I'm going to make this one exception. You got me. Because this I find it amusing and illustrating.

Some of those definitions are wrong, and the bar for Genocide is a lot higher than people being killed in war.

Isn't it just demonstrative that the guy whose bar for "antisemitism" is so low that it will fit any criticism of israel, will also have a bar for genocide which is so high that no action by israel will ever fit it?

I see you.

You're learning. Good for you. She is not a magician. Maybe she should have taken on the Gambian dictator...that could have ended just as well as her Israel interaction...total tangent tho as usual. You are using the same methods as Israeli propaganda folks. Shoot the messenger. We are talking about the ICC here, not one person.

Anything to offer on what happened to her when she opened a war crimes case on Israel in Gaza after 2014 in her role as chief prosecutor for the ICC. Was it a solo run? Is she Hamas? They all got sent a very strong message by Israel and USA. Even Trump had a kick. Are you following?

No. Go back to my original post. I am talking specifically about the reaction from the various parties when ICC charged Israel with a war crime in Gaza. I spelled out the reactions. Your thoughts please....not sure why you always bring us down rabbit holes. Just respond to the point and avoid the tedious evasion

Ok maybe this article will help you understand the point. The dirty tactics in response to investigations into war crimes. This is to show they will never be touched.

Israel’s clashes with the ICC over the past decade – a timeline of events | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al Jazeera

Here’s a recap of the conflict between Israel and the ICC from 2015 to present day.

In March 2021, International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda announced the start of an investigation into Israel’s alleged war crimes in Palestine.

In response, Israel’s spy chief at the time, Yossi Cohen, intensified the covert war on the court that Israel has been waging since Palestine joined the ICC in 2015.

Bensouda felt “personally threatened” after Cohen used surveillance and intimidation to try to dissuade her from probing the Palestine case.

Israel is not a signatory of the ICC’s Rome Statute, and neither is its ally the United States, but an ICC arrest warrant could make life difficult for its leaders.

From surveillance operations to public condemnation, here is a recap of Israel’s attacks on the ICC:

• January 7, 2015: It was announced that Palestine was set to become a state party to the ICC, giving ICC jurisdiction over the territory. This was finalised on April 1, 2015.
• January 16, 2015: ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda opened a preliminary examination into the “situation in Palestine”.
• January 17, 2015: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu panned Bensouda’s decision as “absurd”.
• February 2015: Two unknown men showed up at Bensouda’s residence in The Hague and gave her cash and an Israeli phone, saying it was a gift from an unknown German woman. The ICC concluded this was likely Israel’s way of telling Bensouda it “knew where she lived”, according to a Guardian investigation published on May 28, 2024.
• 2017-2019: An Israeli delegation, led by prominent Israeli lawyer and diplomat Tal Becker, conducted secret meetings with the ICC, challenging Bensouda’s jurisdiction over Palestine regarding the investigation opened in 2015.
• December 20, 2019: Bensouda announced that the preliminary examination of the situation in Palestine found a “reasonable basis” to conclude that Israel and Palestinian armed groups had both committed war crimes in the occupied territory and the case met all criteria under the Rome Statute for the opening of an investigation.
• 2019-2021: The director of Mossad at the time, Cohen intensified efforts to persuade Bensouda against the investigation. Bensouda formally disclosed to a small group within the ICC that she had been “personally threatened”.
• 2019-2021: Five sources familiar with Mossad’s activities told the Guardian that the spy agency routinely listened to phone calls between Bensouda and her staff and Palestinians. Israeli operatives also hacked into the emails of Palestinian groups in contact with the ICC. Mossad also obtained classified recording transcripts of Bensouda’s husband, a Gambian Moroccan businessman.
• March 2020: An Israeli government delegation reportedly held discussions in Washington, DC with senior US officials about “a joint Israeli-American struggle” against the ICC.
• June 2020: Senior US officials said they would impose sanctions on ICC officials, saying they had unspecified information regarding “financial corruption and malfeasance at the highest levels of the office of the prosecutor”.
• February 2021: Bensouda stepped down as ICC prosecutor and Karim Khan assumed the role.
• March 3, 2021: Bensouda confirmed that the ICC had initiated an investigation into the “situation in Palestine”.
• April 2, 2021: US President Joe Biden’s administration lifted sanctions on Bensouda imposed during predecessor Donald Trump’s presidential term. However, the US made it clear that it continued to “disagree strongly with the ICC’s actions” related to Palestine.
• April 8, 2021: Netanyahu said Israel does not recognise the ICC’s authority to investigate possible war crimes in Palestine.

and then…

• April 30, 2024: Netanyahu called on “leaders of the free world” to oppose possible arrest warrants by the ICC of Israeli officials, before the warrant applications were filed.

What could he be afraid of? You condone above? You think anyone in the ICC brave enough to pursue Israel? The new prosecutor Karim Khan is trying and has added the current war crimes to the investigation. But Israel are immune to prosecution with US's backing. The Israeli sure care a lot about a court they don't recognise. Prosecution will never happen. Hence they will act with impunity.

Oh and this is important…ICC jurisdiction extends to crimes committed by a member state or on the territory of one of its member states, of which Palestine is one. You're welcome.

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You edit posts as i'm in the act of replying.

No. I do not condone that.

However, i make two points.

The case was handed off to a successor, so it would be up to them to persue it.

The ICC have agency. If they want to issue warrents, they will. No one will stop them. The ICC and ICJ are powerless to enforce any judgements though. The only court that will get Bibi is an Israeli one, and there's plenty there who can't wait to get their chops on him.

Intimidation of officers of the court.

If they want to issue a warrent for Bibi, they will. Stop implying there's some conspiracy. If they don't issue a warrent, maybe they have strong, non-conspiracy related reasons for doing so, such as the probability of making a successful case. Not everything in life is a consiracy. You impugn the court by suggesting otherwise.

Do Hamas and Hezbollah recognise it the ICC? Palestinian Islamic state?

Who's going to enforce the below?

Bensouda found "a reasonable basis to believe that members of Hamas and Palestinian armed groups" are guilty of war crimes, but these groups have no mechanism for punishing such violations.

your reference to ‘we were here first’ is silly on so many levels.
you are suggesting they have a more legitimate right to be here than others.
You are saying the ‘we’ is the group who are descended from people who were here before approx 1600AD.
so to know if you are allowed in the ‘we’ group, you need to check back over 10 generations (you’re actually sounding a tad Jewish - and the chosen or anointed)

Curious if one of your ancestors has bread outside your pure race, are they in or out?

I could go on but surely you see the nonsense of ‘we were here first’ in Irish, Israeli, or wherever. Stop being so divisive

An accident is unfortunate. Deliberately targeting peacekeepers is well beyond unfortunate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/28/spying-hacking-intimidation-israel-war-icc-exposed

If this is to be belived they certainly have tried. The Americans have threatened to sanction members of the ICJ and ICC. Joe was full of praise for a court the US does not recognise when it indicted Putin.

We all know Bibi won't face prosecution in an international court. There is more of a chance he will be held to account on the corruption charges in Israel, but I suspect he will cut some deal to avoid going to jail. Lots of Israelis officials have taken responsibility for the failures of October 7th but not "Mr security"

As for the Hamas members , one of them is dead already, the other will likely be dead sooner or later.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/dutch-prosecutors-mull-criminal-case-israel-interference-icc

Yes indeed and maybe then Israel will be able to bomb a few more camps and murder a lot more children without fear of any reprisals.

under whatever circumstances ? Ive never heard of slavery described like that?

what lengths you will go to show your love for terrorists 😯😯😯

good lad don , no where in your post have you expressed an issue with hamas enslaving people , just a load of waffle as per .

Islamic militants , bringing back slavery like they missed it .give your moral compass a shake for gods sake

Jabalia refugee camp - what the hell are the IDF at? Is it a terror campaign?

So I was listening to the radio this morning and I heard that Israel had bombed the refugee camp (yet again) in Northern Gaza and killed 30 people including women and children. 110 were injured. Schools were hit (no surprise there). This is a camp that was surrounded by the IDF many months ago. They have total control over it. The MSF doctor on the radio said they had been told to evacuate the whole camp 24 hours after IDF had started their latest assault on it and that it was impossible to leave. They are also running out of food and water.

So why do Israel keep bombing the camp?? If they think there are still "Hamas command and control centres" in there, send in the tanks and destroy it and the Hamas terrorists. It just seems like a terrror campaign at this point. The IDF have normalised attacks on refugee camps. This one has been bombed over and over and over. Cowardly. Is the devastated camp really a threat to them? Are they taking fire from it? Impossible at this point. Of course the IDF had no comment to make on the latest strikes according to the Radio 1 news.

For context, the IDF started bombing Jabalia in October 2023. On October 31st 2023, Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp in an event that was called the Jabalia camp massacre - they killed 120 people, mostly women and children. That was a year ago. Why are they still bombing it? Send in the troops if you must but stop killing innocent civilians. Otherwise this is just another war crime.

Apologist answer = casualties of war. Illogical. Also cowardly not to call this out as a terror campaign.

Every time the regime bombs a refugee camp, they claim Hamas members were hiding out there. It's certainly a possibility that there were some Hamas members there, but the Israeli attitude seems to be that the death of 50 or 100 innocent civilians is absolutely fine as long as they can kill one or two members of Hamas.

These of course are flagrant war crimes and completely illegal and prohibited under every international law going.