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Andrew Tate

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,618 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think we can leave the man in Baker St alone for this one.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I think that anyone who has had access to the internet in the past year would be somewhat aware of Dylan Mulvaney and if they didn't know their name, would find them and recognise them immediately with the simplest of google searches.

    Scouring social media is not necessary.

    It would have taken less time than making a point of saying you didn't recognise the name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,618 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Tate is quite a famous figure and almost all social media sites are American.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,327 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So the retort to me lumping people who peddle bad faith 'Psychology', ridiculous mystical religious dogma and misogynistic lifestyles together into the grifter category is .. 'but trans'?

    Is that some people's answer to absolutely everything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,327 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Honest to god, never heard of the person. I also don't go near any social media brainrot at all so that might explain why.

    The likes of Peterson, Brand and Tate are big enough names to have transcended those platforms into mainstream news. (sure most of us of a certain age would know Brand from his TV days too)



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,618 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I have Facebook and Twitter accounts along with an Instagram account I log into about once a year for a few seconds a go. If I could be bothered, I'd delete the ones I have and I definitely won't be adding to their number.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I haven't once said anything negative about Mulvaney. Just asked the simple question that based on a couple of the reasons given for lumping Tate and Peterson in together, why not stick Mulvaney in there as well?

    When I asked earlier:

    Can someone explain to me why Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate being categorised together?

    I got this response:

    "They're all online grifters in some form of another, two cheeks of the same arse."


    "

    I sure do lump folks into the same category who are clearly very disingenuous in what they say for the sole purpose of a grift. That is not the same as an honest online income. Surely you see the difference?"

    Isn't Mulvaney in this category as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I've never heard of them either and I'm 32 who uses Twitter and Instagram daily, don't use TikTok so that could be it.

    I don't think Dylan has been on the news after being charged with rape, sexual assault of minors and trafficking in 2 different jurisdictions though.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    It is now to be known that you are defending a paedophile rapist and abusing a poor defensless Trans woman.

    That didn't take long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Well the two of them regularly peddle misinformation and misogynistic views and sell them to their followers.

    As far as a quick Google I've done as don't know Dylan Mulvanney, they were a YouTuber/TikToker who became quite famous and mainly do brand deals and advertising, so nothing like Tate and Petersen as far as I'm aware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,327 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It goes back to my snake oil test and is a very simple 'are they a grifter?' barometer.

    Question:

    If it were the Old West, would this person be travelling around selling some form of Snake Oil?

    Peterson, Brand and Tate? 100% yes. They are here to make money by being dishonest. It's their modus operandi.

    I don't know anything about Mulvaney but I'll ask you the same question, would they peddle Snake Oil?

    If the answer is yes, then maybe they fit into the Grifter category too, I don't know as I don't know anything about them really other than them being trans.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I do like the trope that Jordan Peterson is misogynistic.

    I think that's a complete falsehood and rather childish way of looking at what he says. I don't agree with everything he says, but misogynistic is certainly not an accusation I would level at him.

    I have seen certain things he has said taken out of context and framed as sexist, but ususally on closer inspection and without the lens of desperately trying to read his words in bad faith, it can usually be explained as just an honest, if sometimes flawed interpretation of psychology.

    Andrew Tate is beyond defence when it comes to his misogynistic attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Apparantly thats what I have done.

    Ridiculous that grown adults (I am assuming) can't have adult conversations based on some logical reasoning and critical thinking without beeing accused of making "hateful digs" at online personalities purely because of their gender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I never said he did, it was a response to the point that we should know who she is because we're on the internet, when I had never heard of them until today whereas you wouldn't need the internet/social media to have heard of Tate who has been on the mainstream news multiple times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭reclose


    interesting thread. Some pretty extreme opinions.

    I’ve only seen a little bit of Tate and that was enough. He’s a horrible person in my opinion.

    I’m not getting the comparison with Peterson though? Can someone clear that up for me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Thats not what you said earlier but thanks for the clarification.

    Based on what I know about Mulvaney, which is about as much as I know about Peterson and Tate, Yes, I have no doubt that Mulvaney would be saying what they thought needed to be said to attract attention and make money back in the day…….



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    It's ok. We can talk about it at our monthly "Andrew Tate is my hero" meet-up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭reclose


    Saying you are waiting for the trial results is NOT defending someone. It’s absolutely bizarre to even suggest that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Dylan Mulvaney has been on mainstream media on both sides of the Atlantic at various times over the past 18 months……..

    Fair enough if you claim not to know who they are - but they have been on mainstream media…………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Poster said:

    "I think you're spending way too much time on American social media, honestly and I have zero interest in making your argument for you."

    I pointed out the Irony in the comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That may be, but I had genuinely never heard of them before. I don't see the relevance they have to Tate though.

    I'm happy to leave Petersen out of the conversation as he spouts nowhere near the same level of vitriol and probable criminal activity that Tate has been involved in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I asked the question why lump in people like Peterson with Tate.

    These were two of the reasons given:

    "They're all online grifters in some form of another, two cheeks of the same arse."

    "I sure do lump folks into the same category who are clearly very disingenuous in what they say for the sole purpose of a grift. That is not the same as an honest online income. Surely you see the difference?"

    Based on those reasons I asked why somone wouldn't put someone like Mulvaney in there also - who ticks both boxes also.

    If you are happy to leave Peterson out of comparisions with Tate I would agree - they are totally different for the reasons you have mentioned alone, never mind a myriad of other factors.

    (I'd say the same about Mulvaney too - obviously very different to Tate and Peterson but bused on the narrow rationale given for lumping Peterson and Tate in together, you'd have to logicilly add Mulvaney to that group also)

    This would be whether you had heard of them or not - they have been all over american media (online and otherwise) as well as on some media this side of the pond over the past few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,333 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    It is funny how the posters trying to defend tate are so insistent on derailing the thread into a trans argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,033 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And on the Tate flip side

    The probability of Tate commiting those crimes based on the testimony and the investigations carried out is quite overwhelming.

    It is not just based on accusations but thorough investigations which had evidence.

    Would you not agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,910 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    There's something that is pretty clearly implied in your leaping to the defence of him. The implication is that you view it as plausible that all of the women accusing him as part of the multiple cases are potentially making up their accusations. The more likely reality is that the police in Romania and the UK have strong reasons to believe they can prosecute him. In relation to the trafficking, they've likely found a financial trail that indicates laundering of money gained via it.

    None of the above relates to his politics. We do have parts of the evidence that will be used against him btw. I've linked to an article about the Panorama documentary about him. But sure, by your logic the below experience of the woman is potentially not true. Also the public accepted Savile was guilty as sin after the itv documentary cause they displayed plenty of evidence. Same applies in the Tate case. At the very minimum he is a rapist but he looks to be far more than that.

    He started kissing me... and he just looked up at the ceiling and said, ‘I’m just debating whether I should rape you or not. Out of the blue he just grabbed me by the throat, smashed me to the back of the bed, strangling me extremely hard.”

    Anna says he then raped her.

    She says after the attack, Mr Tate sent her disturbing text messages and voice notes about rape and sexual violence.

    “Am I a bad person? Because the more you didn’t like it, the more I enjoyed it,” he said in a voice note.

    In a text he wrote: “I love raping you.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyje823er4o



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We've not seen the evidence directly but have reports by the BBC and other news organisations who have been granted access to it. The Romanian prosecutors have also released statements that include gathered evidence - witness statements alleging threats of violence and text messages from one of the two Romanian co-defendants with very clear indications of what exact violence will be used if the women don't co-operate and produce the sexual content required by the Tates. The forensic evidence thus far disclosed is pretty damning and the case will undoubtedly unveil far worse.

    They have not been found guilty but they will be. They've damned themselves with their own online content.On how many of the charges is anybody's guess. They will be cleared of some for lack of evidence, withdrawal of co-operation by some witnesses or other factors. But make no mistake, they're doing time, and not a small amount of it. Should the reports (rumours) of interference in the process prove true then it'll be a lot worse for them.

    .

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    If you fabricate as much about Tate as you do other posters, then not surprised you're trying to defend him.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I can't do jury service, as I know too much about how the whole system works, and am exempt.

    You must be very naive if you think that guilty people walk out of court free as a bird every day of the week.



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