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Trinity's Berkeley Library to be named after Eavan Boland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Almost half of the worlds Jews live in Israel and they are under constant threat by Iranian proxies, as such they're fighting an all-out war right now. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is a very strong overlap.

    No idea what any of this has to do with George Berkeley or the library in Trinity.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    That's the best thing I've seen you write in the thread so far. Still deflective, inaccurate and empty, but thanks for taking the time to say so, because it has added to the thread in a meaningful way, despite your intent. Good evening.

    I suppose most of us can't relate to having rockets launched every day into our towns and villages by people that hate us and wish us dead. I happen to think both sides are abhorrent and guilty of crimes against humanity. If we are to call for ties being cut to Israel, then ties should equally be cut to Palestine. They're not exactly the innocents some seem to think they are, but the naivety is staggering from supporters of Gaza and Co. Many of those supporters would have their heads separated from their bodies in short time if they stepped foot in Gaza.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    We could avoid all this nonsense is we stop naming libraries after historical figures in the first place. It's all very pretentious. Trinity college seems like quite the pretensions place but I suppose it's all part of the image of what is essentially a business like any other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Sorry, the Jewish references might have started with me having first made reference to the sheeple at Trinity unofficially renaming the Berkeley library after a Palestinian terrorist apologist and supporter who got himself toasted in an airstrike in Gaza. The students at Trinity either didn't know, or most likely didn't care that their martyr was publicly justifying Hamas militants stabbing, shooting and burning to death women and children in and around their homes in October last year.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,773 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Library is no longer named after a bold boy from a few hundred years ago.

    Grand, fvck him.

    But who benefits?

    These renaming's have no tangible outcomes beyond optics and bragging rights for the activists involved. This isn't altruism, if it was it wouldn't have played out as it did.

    Just rename it and be done with it.

    Seriously, who cares?

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,567 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I suppose it couldn't be known as the "New Library" for very long, having been built in 1967. 

    It could be known as the New Library for so long as there wasn't a newer one. After all, New Square has been known by that name for nearly 200 years now.

    (The New Library became the Berkeley Library at the same time as the Lecky Library was opened.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭foxsake


    i think this is a retrograde step

    I am against the revision of history where a person’s achievements are extinguished because of a single view that was accepted then but is unacceptable now. People operated in the context of their time judging them on todays standard is moronic - those standards will change again and we could be judged by future generations. this sets a perhaps dangerous but definitely stupid precedent

    erasing achievement and their subsequent memorials based on a single unsettling action undermines the contribution of the person in its entirety.

    was every person in those times evil? or just the ones rich enough to afford slaves.

    there is a very warped view of our past and how we got here.

    some white liberal guilt trip because in other parts of the world this self reflection or self hatred isn't going on despite massive conolisations/wars/genocide and slavery.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nothing has been erased. It's quite disingenuous to keep pretending that it is just to keep a monument to a slave trader.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Nermal


    We renamed O'Connell St. in celebration of the successful overthrowing of our colonial oppresor.

    Who did we overthrow this time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭foxsake


    as per my post: word for word

    erasing achievement and their subsequent memorials

    selective reading peoples post ignoring context and qualifiers is a meaningless pursuit

    you can disagree for sure but i'm not sure you even read my post based on your response.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Never heard of her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,851 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Always nice to see the regular chronic malcontents in CA biliously yelling at clouds. Really invigorating.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Also objectively untrue. I'd ask for proof to settle this but all some people want to do is whine about something that didn't happen. Trinity's own press release confirms Berkeley's achievements.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭Feisar


    As part of a wider rebranding/re-founding, surely the people that were part of this change wouldn't want to attend a university associated with a slaver?
    Personally I think it's silly to look at the past with modern sensibilities in this way. Sure we can understand it was wrong however we should be able to say in the same breath that it was of it's time.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    By that silly logic, we'd have to dismantle whole countries, organisations and economies. What's done is done but we do not have to keep venerating slave traders. It's a choice to continue doing so.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Cordell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭circadian


    The day they stop is the day I know there's actually something wrong in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,567 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    That;'s pretty much exactly what we say when we decide that, in our time, we don't want to name a contemporary building, in current use, after a slaver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I'm applying the same logic, it's just more difficult to put in to practice. The half assed approach is nothing more than window dressing.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You're not. It's a tired, toys going out of the pram strawman.

    We're approaching 200 posts and not a single person can give a logical reason to oppose this.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭Feisar


    It's not about a logical reason, people just think it's silly. No one is getting their knickers in a twist about it although I'd say by post count you'd have to be a front runner if someone was.

    My logic is sound, this is just a pandering exercise. Which is grand but lets not make it out to be anything more than that..

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No. A few reactionaries here who post endlessly about something called "woke" that they can't define don't like the name of a slave owner being taken off a building they just found out exists. We had the same silliness when BLM rightly took down the Colson statue in 2020.

    Trinity is my alma mater so that's where my interest comes from. Despite the snide comment, you've yet to explain yours.

    I'd be surprised if I had the most posts in the thread. I'd ask you to back this up but I doubt that'd happen.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,669 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I don't think he was a slave trader, as such

    (don't think he was being 'venerated' either, tbh…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,851 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Yep. Exactly like that.

    How ironic that the malcontents have become (or always were, tbh) just that which they have so much scorn for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I haven’t seen anything that says he did anything other than espouse the benefits and virtues of slavery. He seems to have progressed to not only a slave owner, but also a slave trader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Wonder will DCC rename all the Berkeleys (road, place, avenue, street) in Phibsboro? Think there's a Berkeley Terrace in Ballsbridge too. Were they all named after the same guy or a different Berkeley - anyone know?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭rock22


    Of course Trinity college were correct to rename the New Library. Aside from those who claim never to have heard of Boland, what is most interesting is the list of thinks put forward in defence of retaining the Berkeley name on the library. These include.

    the good outweighs any bad.
    placate whining students and staff
    some white liberal guilt
    Volkwagon
    the pyramids, the White House,
    Catholic Church
    vox pop on Grafton street
    wokerati's
    American style identity politics
    every person owned slaves
    The Islamic world
    GAA
    Roald Dahl books.
    holy trinity,
    Sexual abuse by the clergy
    destroying and hiding your legacy
    the nazis
    talibans .
    Israel
    "you're an anti-semite"

    Perhaps there is no library , just our perception of a library.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Cordell


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    Just look at them violent thugs - that's even closer to talibans blowing up statues. Is that what are we supposed to cheer and celebrate?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Cordell


    The vandalism of violent BLM thugs being angry because another violent thug died in a country thousands of km away.



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