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Greatest League in the World 2025 [LOI Thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,311 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It was a sh1tshow today trying to get tickets. Hate that Ticketmaster crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,107 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    So was there any truth to that rumour about Dundalk players not getting paid last week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭irishmanmick


    From what I'm reading today new owners looking to separate academy and senior team and not fund the academy (no funds available). Out of the frying pan and into the fire up in Dundalk. FAI just happy to see season out and got anybody in to do that.

    Grim prospect when the ideas from new owner is to cut the kids out of the club - I assume that is part of the licencing - but the negative impact that will have in the community. Where do they find these cowboys?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Good riddance to them out of the top division anyway. Never had time for that lot. Even moreso now if they have done that



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    Things you love to see.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2024/1009/1474486-bradley-handed-further-two-game-suspension/

    He has zero respect for the officials and thus the league and ultimately the sport itself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    What he said about McGraith was 100% correct. He didn’t insult the man’s integrity, didn’t call him a cheat. He called it as it was. Would you see someone getting a ban for criticising a players performances?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    So that's your take on this, that Stephen Bradley has no respect for the game of football.

    Ye sure. You crack on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Stupid from Bradley, he was always going to be caught. I could see him communicating with the bench and I was at home watching the game on TV.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    That is indeed my take on it.

    Those who want respect, give respect.

    if you think points 1 & 2 are the actions of someone who respects the game. Then ok I understand what you consider respectful for sport.

    1.Calling an official "He’s (MacGraith) the worst in the league and that tonight is awful."

    • Getting a ban for said "disparaging comments" 

    2. Blatantly and openly flaunting the ban

    • Getting further ban for “breaching terms of [the] suspension”

    On the other hand ask yourself if you could see an experienced and dignified manager doing the same?
    I know it’s only a minority of men who would fit that criteria in the league or in football management in general. That’s the sports problem. Lack of Respect.

    Stephen Kenny. He wouldn’t do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    An additional ban will have no effect in Drogheda unless there is a distance penalty.

    He can stand beside the dugout like any supporter and shout at the players!



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    I agree. I don’t think it will negatively impact on Rovers at all.

    On the contrary. Having him in the stand will actually help!

    It’s the principle of the matter. I’m delighted to see he was brought to account again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,597 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Thr 1 game ban was a joke anyway, even if he was 100% on the money with what he said. Other managers have been banned for 2 or 3 games after insulting the ref during a game. He only gets a 1 game ban for doing it on TV after the game in front of everyone, and then he doubled down a few days later in the paper again. It should have been 2 or 3 to begin with.

    Suspect he knew he was going to have the ban extended similar to what happened with Caulfield earlier in the season, but he chose to prioritise the Shels game over the following ones against the bottom two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    The whole thing is in desperate need of review. Questioning a referee’s integrity or motivation shouldn’t be allowed. Making references to a referee’s personal life shouldn’t be allowed.


    But McGraith has decided 2 big games in the title race with awful decisions, and he seems to be the only one suffering no consequences for it. Referees should not be above question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    Irish football can't get referees.

    At junior and youths levels, you have blokes in their 50s refereeing several matches every weekend.

    Referees would have to commit murder for the FAI to do something about the bad ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Unfortunately, if you want to have an increasingly professional league though, you'll have to expect increasing levels of professionalism across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,311 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The epl has fully professional refs for a while and still you get terrible decisions. And they have them advantage of var to help.

    It's human nature. I don't think there is anything sinister going on in LOI, I just think the refs aren't very good. Of course when you have 1 person trying to control a game being played by 22 cheats, there will always be mistakes made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I’m certainly not suggesting anything sinister is going on. Merely that people should be able to say when things aren’t good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,249 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    There's nothing sinister going on, its quite obvious in fact, are there ref's that dislike certain teams? yes, are there refs that like certain teams? yes. Are there refs that are of a poor standard? yes. We've all seen our teams get good & bad calls and like to think we're the victims in some big conspiracy but in reality we're all dealing with sub par officials & run that gauntlet every time the whistle blows.

    McGraith is a special case though, I'd be concerned if he was reffing an u13 game, he gets so many big decisions wrong, he really shouldn't be permitted to referee at the highest level in the country IMO. I appreciate the shortage of officials but if we're left having to persist with that level of incompetence the game is in bigger trouble than a manager calling out a poor ref producing an even lower than normal standard of refereeing.

    "I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year" - Charles Dickens




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    And that's it. McGraith is considered to be "one of the best" He gets so many decisions wrong every second game. I think SB was so frustrated and why he made those comments.

    You obviously can't say them in public but the refs aren't accountable in LOI



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Exactly right. Well said.
    Absolutely not just a LOI problem, but it’s ridiculous blaming a ref for giving a pen for someone diving, or not giving a pen for a player who they know dives under the slightest or even no contact, so they make that assumption this time.
    If players didn’t throw themselves onto the ground after contact then refereeing standards would improve dramatically.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    If referees didn't give frees for dives then players wouldn't dive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Is this not basically saying that if refereeing wasn’t required, then it would be better?


    Not really a LOI specific topic, but I’m yet to have someone explain to me why deliberately fouling is more noble than deliberately diving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    That’s actually not a bad point. How often do we hear references to a “good foul” to concede, or “taking one for the team.” And let’s be honest here, none of us has a problem when it’s one of our players that stops a breakaway by committing a foul. In fact I’d say it’s tacitly encouraged. Similarly, who would turn down a last minute winning penalty gained by one of our players diving in the box ? Another thing we often hear is that someone is “too honest” when they don’t go down in the box when they could have, (and another favourite of mine, when we hear that someone is “entitled to go down”) Of course we tut tut and say it’s not right, but no one is turning down the benefits. We only complain when it goes against our team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    There’s no deception involved in a deliberate foul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    You don’t think those people holding people in the box on set pieces (seems to be the most recent trending topic) are looking for the referee to not spot it?


    Obviously if someone clatters someone that’s going to be obvious, but there’s definitely a lot more than just that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    I understood a "deliberate foul" to mean those where the player knows he will give away a free, and perhaps receive a yellow, but does it anyway. I still think that's what you originally meant. Regardless, I still think diving is worse than trying to foul without being caught.

    However, as mentioned, players and managers have no business criticising a referee's performance when 99% of players take every opportunity to deceive a referee. How, as a player/manager, can you attempt to cheat, or condone/turn a blind eye to it, but also expect referees to get 100% of decisions correct. It makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    You haven’t mentioned why it’s worse though.


    And in terms of the 2nd point you’ve made, would professional referees even be required if everyone was trying to play by the rules?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    missed a stonewall penalty in the Dundalk vs Pats game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭waynescales1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,541 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Haven’t seen that one. But he’s walked straight from being the decisive person in one RTE televised title race game, to somehow getting the next one and doing it again. And somehow he is above criticism.



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