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Are titles in a professional setting a thing of the past?

  • 08-10-2024 09:31PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,251 ✭✭✭


    As in, do you call your lecturer by Mr., Ms., Dr., Prof. or by 1st name or?

    In a medical setting - if your the patient - Dr., Mr., Ms., or 1st name?

    etc ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,650 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It's far from clear cut. It depends on the professional and it depends on the patient/student. One Dr I call by his first name, another it's Dr Jim and another is Dr Kelly. Some patients call Dr Jim Dr Reilly, for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭mulbot


    I use first names if I know them, I don't address people by any of the above titles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,650 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    So if you're attending a doctor or surgeon, that you don't know, do you not call them Dr. Kelly or Mr. Kelly? What do you do - not refer to their name at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭mulbot


    I only attend my doctor, who I know, so yea first name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    You'll address me by my proper title, ya little bollix.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭NickNickleby


    I call my doctor, " Doctor" .

    He worked damn hard to get the title, so I have no qualms about using it.

    I call my son's neighbour "Father", because he's a priest and because it's absolutely ingrained in me. Anyway, I've no reason to deny him that, I don't believe in tarring all clergy with the same brush, despite encountering a couple of right swines in my childhood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,037 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme




  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I call my doctor by his first name because he's been my doctor for 30 years. If it was a doctor not known to me I'd call them doctor. When I was was in college I called my lecturers Dr Surname. Some would have been strict on it and some wouldn't have cared. I'm in my 40s now and near 20 years on from my college days so if I went back to college as a mature student I'd probably just call lecturers by their first names.

    I worked with a woman with a PhD in a field completely unrelated to the job and was not using it in a professional capacity yet she insisted on being called Dr. Nobody did. She came across as ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,674 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Depends on how they introduce themselves to me . Some doctors say Dr and some say their first name , especially if they have met you before . Consultants I’ve met are first name basis . Most people go by their first name now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Went back to college as a "mature" student (27 in 2019), many in the course were older, never once heard a title being used across the 3 years of lectures by anyone, it was first name for all lecturers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I still call my teachers from primary school by their proper titles (though one of them is my Mam so there’s that), never mind third level lecturers I had - it just wouldn’t occur to me to call them anything else. I’m not comfortable at all with that level of familiarity.

    Same goes for medical settings, though I’m a bit more flexible there in that I’d go with however they introduce themselves, if they do, and if they don’t, I’ll ask.. although having been in hospital recently when I asked one of the staff were they a nurse or a doctor? “I’m a healthcare assistant” they replied. Just when I thought I had it all figured out, they go and add more complexity. I think they do it on purpose 😖



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,984 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    OOJ,

    This is the key to the issue

    I’m not comfortable at all with that level of familiarity.

    Most here think the title pedestals the professional, it keeps it professional unlike the case when the patient says to the dentist:

    John, I don't know if I would prefer to have a baby or have this tooth removed.

    Mary, make up your mind, need to know how to position the chair.

    I do a lot of work with kids and any familiarity in language is very risky these days

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    On the university side of things, I remember on my first day in college back in 2004 somebody asked a question and called the lecturer Sir or Mr. X (one or the other) and the lecturer thought that was hilarious and reminded us that we're all adults and use his name.

    If I know somebody I call them by their name. If I don't I might call them by their title (e.g. "thanks Guard", "thanks Doctor") but prefer to use people's names where possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    With regard to medical professionals, my GP, my pain management specialist (Consultant anaesthetist) my endocrinologist and a few other specialists I see semi-regularly are on a 1st name basis.

    Any "new" people I see? What I call them is their choice, if they wish to be called by their title or their name, that's their choice. Similarly, they refer to my as Mr Banie01 unless/until I ask them to use just banie01.

    In my academic life, the vast majority of lecturers and researchers prefer their name and again, a person can IMO choose how they wish to be addressed. I'm basing that opinion on 2 degrees, 1 quite recent and quite a bit of experience in dealing with academics in Reg/compliance settings. In my own academic endeavours, despite earning a few letters, it's banie01.

    In professional written communication, I open by addressing others by their title/name. That said, many of those same folk are friends or acquaintances that outside of those professional comms, we address each other by our names.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭griffin100


    I have a PhD and a Professor title. In 20 plus years professionally I have never ever asked anyone to use either title, I'd be mortified to do so. I still get embarrassed if I am introduced as 'Dr' or 'Professor' Griffin. If a student or a more junior colleague uses the formal titles I ask them to use my first name instead. I use them in e mail signatures as its part of the job and it can help build credibility in certain circumstances, and my bank uses the 'Dr' title as I did try and leverage that a bit when we were young and poor and were going for a mortgage. Other than that I don't use them.

    When dealing with GP's and consultants I generally use the title that they have introduced themselves to me as. I have worked with academics and medical consultants for many years and I don't get phased by impressive titles anymore - although I do professionally respect anyone who has risen to lofty heights within their field.

    Older university academics are still very much tied up with titles and I think that comes from a time when a 'Professor' title meant something. In the past it was an earned title, now it just means that you are a lecturer. The public don't differentiate between Assistant, Associate, Full, etc. professors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    It depends on the person. My GP introduced herself by her first name so that's how I address her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I see a neurology nurse regularly and I don't know how to refer to her. She's a specialist but she's not a neurologist so Dr wouldn't be appropriate just avoid any talk where I have to address her.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No harm to ask. If you're not comfortable asking, I'd just call her Nurse.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My usual GP introduced herself as "Doctor [first name]" so that is what I call her.

    The other GPs in the practice go by "Doctor [surname]" so that is what I call them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,460 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I'd call a Medical doctor by their title in a professional setting. Our GP was a family friend and I called him by first name when he was off the clock, but by his title in his surgery.

    PhDs are different. It wouldn't occur to me to call them Dr. in my work (unless it was an academic setting or their PhD was relevant to the work). I'd do it if they asked me to, but I'd think they're a nob. Much more respect for people who wear a PhD lightly.

    A primary school principal in my town used sign their name with BA Hons at the end. Sake.



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  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Ya, it's a bit cringe when people throw in their letters, especially in scenarios where it's not called for. I know some very unassuming people with PhDs, a stark contrast to my former colleague who would drop it anywhere she could.



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In a medical setting a medical professionals introduced a Professor as this is Proff (surname)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    The BBC have an excellent presenter of science programmes called Helen Czerski who insists, at the start of every programme that she presents, on introducing herself as follows "My name is Doctor Helen Czerski and ….." I regard this as ridiculous because her name isn't Doctor Helen Czerski, her name is Helen Czerski (and she has a PhD in Physics). [That said, her website is a lot more down to earth: https://www.helenczerski.net/about-helen/ ]

    In contrast, the BBC's other excellent science programmer presenter Jim Al Khalili (a Professor of Theoretical Physics) consistently introduces himself simply as "Jim Al Khalili", which I find far more engaging.

    But the people who really get up my nose are the charlatans who have been issued with an Honourary Degree by one of the Irish Universities and who then who expect to be called "Doctor". (Like Mick Smurfit, or the legendary Sean Quinn!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,251 ✭✭✭sporina


    thanks for all your contributions - interesting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,460 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Helen Cherski introducing herself as a Physics PhD at the start of a Physics programme is fine by me. If she was on Match of the Day and introduced herself as Dr. then it would be stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Hailtothethief


    I remember a few years ago we had a new start at a former work place (biopharmaceutical R&D place). At the morning team meeting, he was introduced as "Joe Bloggs" by the manager. The new start corrected the boss by saying "it's Dr Bloggs". The manager looked at him and said "Joe, there's only two people here that don't have a PhD, and I'm one of them". Needless to say, he didn't last beyond his probation period..…

    Every place I've worked, nobody bothered with their titles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,799 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    Gaybo was famous for that too, in the 80s he got an honorary doctorate, his column in the Sunday World was signed Dr Gay Byrne complete with a picture of him in his regalia.

    I work with several PhDs and none of them insist on Doctor. I've also called my consultant surgeon by his first name!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,032 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Is this a humblebrag to indicate you also have a PhD? Or are you the other person without one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Maxface


    I always thought the consultants dropped the doctor and became mister. Maybe I dreamed that. I know of a local chiropractor that calls himself doctor. I guess it is a bit flexible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,667 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Surgeons are Mr's, not all consultants. It harks back to when Surgeons were barber surgeons and weren't qualified gentleman doctors, when Barber Surgeons formed their guild, they awarded diplomas not degrees.

    Nowadays the path to becoming a surgeon follows on from gaining an MD. In the past they were completely separate.

    The training of surgeons until the mid-19th century was different. They did not have to go to university to gain a degree; instead they usually served as an apprentice to a surgeon. Afterwards they took an examination. In London, after 1745, this was conducted by the Surgeons' Company and after 1800 by The Royal College of Surgeons.

    If successful they were awarded a diploma, not a degree, therefore they were unable to call themselves 'Doctor', and stayed instead with the title 'Mr'.



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