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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The human shields thing is a bit of a nonsense. Gaza has 2m people and is a tiny strip of land of 45 square kilometres - Israel is 150 times bigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Then you might have expected the Gazan government not to start an all-out war? But like I said, it's literally Hamas strategy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The thing is Children are the worst shields against missiles.

    Stop swallowing what the regimes is shovelling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Maybe because the world is not naïve to believe that Israel has any option other than all out war against mortal enemies?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,516 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And you would have the rest of the World do what, precisely?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    On the contrary, they are the best: their deaths make great PR. Hamas knows this, which is why they work to get as many killed as possible.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Was it Himmler who tried that one first? Or Goebbels?

    They'd have been happy to know that their ideas and tricks and excuses live on in the hearts of so many almost a century later. Albeit probably not happy to see the "side" of the people using them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So when an ambulance is actively targeted and blown to pieces that is Hamas PR making the Regime do it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    They could have perhaps not gone full f*cking r*tard!? - Warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    On October 7th itself they killed a significant number of their own civilians and passed it off as Hamas' work and then went on a genocidal rampage against innocent men, women and children whilst claiming that basically everyone they killed was a terrorist and if not, a terrorist in waiting. This was of course a date preceding which they had killed a large number of Palestinians in a supposedly peaceful period whilst taking multiple others hostage….. cause you know they were living on their land.

    So in the meantime what they've actually done is removed any worldwide sympathy they might have received for the attacks on that date. Baring in mind within a month, pro-Hamas…. I mean pro-terrorist….. sorry pro-Palestinian rallies started across the world leaving the Israeli shills; Murray, Ferguson, Harris, Maher (shudder) to somehow take the position that ya know slaughtering a whole load of innocents is the morally acceptable thing to do.

    Aside from that, they've exposed themselves (and the US/UK) to be the cretins they are, destroyed their economy and hopefully paved the way for their apartheid ethno-state to come full circle.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Considering Hamas' openly declared policy of using human shields as strategy, it wouldn't surprise me if Hamas were using ambulances in the conflict, or hiding themselves, weapons or firing positions behind/around them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    From what we have seen over the last year - and longer - the general pattern is that the zionists strike out at another party, run to hide behind its big brother the US and have the US make a call for calm and no escalation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Firing positions around a moving ambulance? That's beyond remedial.

    You are just victim blaming and excusing mass slaughter aren't you? At least be honest about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    regarding WWII, maybe you're referring to the allies. Once it became clear that Hitler and Tojo weren't messing around, the Allies went to a total war state. And it worked.

    Israel now has to do the same thing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You might not have heard, but the Germans were quite good at rounding up people they portrayed as enemies of their state. Turned out to be quite a useful mechanism. As we see it being played out in real time in the Middle East today - perpetrated by the zionists and lapped up by their blind supporters

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/enemies-of-the-state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I hope the ww2 justification for total war is not used to justify dropping a nuke on Gaza. Is not like there is any difference between a country that had taken over most of Europe and a terrorist group that is in control of a small strip of land in the Middle East I suppose to some.

    It's the same sort of attitude that justified the actions of the black and tans in Ireland, meet terror with more brutal terror.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Why did Israelis snipe Catholic nuns in Gaza? Were they human shields as they returned to their church with milk? Why did they riddle Hind Rajabs car with 300+ bullets, was she a human shield? Why did they riddle three of their own hostages with bullets, were they human shields?? Why did they bulldoze multiple Gazan cemetery’s, were the corpses human shields??

    The internet has absolutely destroyed Israel’s modus operandi. The entire world can see what they are up to and the human shield bs is exactly that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,795 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You wouldn't be saying this if the shoe was on the other foot and Israel was being bombed to oblivion. No, instead you'd be in a conniption and claiming how terrible it all is.

    Your comments on this thread blithely excusing Israel's appalling behaviour have absolutely zero merit.

    And BTW, even the Allied leadership were trying to distance themselves from indiscriminate bombing in 1945.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don't think the pagers strike was that precise - certainly not "the most precise strike in human history". I can't even imagine how you could could determine how precise the attack was over the last week, let alone over the entirely of human history…

    Israel has certainly carried out very precise strikes - taking out specific individuals by sniper fire. Like the three surrendering hostages and the nuns. Certainly, if you want to call it the "most precise strike in human history", I'd say Israel could apply for the Guinness World Record of "Precision killing of sheep by sniper fire"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Yeah but the IDF spokesperson came out and told us it was the most precise strike in history. Therefore, despite the video evidence, and also common sense, we cannot think for ourselves and must swallow and repeat what the IDF told us.

    Over and over again, like Rainman. "most precise strike in history. most precise strike in history"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    The pager explosions in Lebanon certainly were very precise, AFAIK. Still Israel was criticised for it though …

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hamas were all out yesterday to launch a dozen rockets for the special occasion of Oct 7th, a year ago the were able to launch thousands and send in an invasion force of 3000 men.

    Hamas are effectively done, there will be mopping up but and some attacks but the days of them being a force are over.

    Have they achieved some objectives from their invasion of Israel, certainly but anything that they need for waging war will no longer be left in, steel, concrete, bulldozers, tunnelling equipment ,weapons, metal machine tools and on and on. The strip will be divided in to cantons, personally i think it is a mistake to have anyone north of the wadi. Let that be a nature reserve.

    He is correct that by forcing Israel. To fighting an urban war that it would damage Israel, that worked and people who never game a shi7 about the million and a half Arabs killed in the region are now raging because a fraction are dead but one side are y15s.

    What choice did Israel have, none as far as I can see, life is very often about making do and trying to get the best outcome out of crap paths forward.

    The Israelis are now also looking at this generationally and they means iran.

    Most of the neighbouring govts want peace and normality with Israel, they wouldn't let a Palestinian within 50 metres of the border.

    The Jihadi types don't care about peace, that Israel is Jewish is all that matters, that women wear bikinis, gays have parades there, that is enough reason to destroy it and say you took the most lickspittle rich kid leftist who wanted a 2 state solution built in solidarity and inclusion. They would hate him just as much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Military might provide a temporary fix, but it will not give Israel security long term. A new variant of Hamas will come along. Indeed your friend Bibi will do his best to ensure it happens too if it looks like a more moderate opposition is in the ascendancy. He needs militant Islamists as a foil to keep the greater Israel project going. Which is why he happily boasted to colleagues about allowing the Dubai money to flow into Hamas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    When Bibi Baskin is gone the govt will not have a different approach. His flaw is he was often too slow to pull the trigger in politics, the next govt will not be so.

    Remember the peaceniks and lefty types were the ones Hamas hit the hardest.

    Maybe the military option will only provide a temp fix but not doing it provides no fix and was never an option.

    When the mullahs are gone from Iran, it will return to being Israel's closest ally in the region.

    If it was an Arab army going in to Gaza. It would be over months ago and there would be several hundred thousand dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Not sure if you are trying to be funny with your bibi Baskin nickname. A bit harsh on Baskin being associated with that murderous scumbag.

    Unfortunately I can't see the mullahs departing Iran anytime soon. Would be better for whole region if they were gone no doubt.

    Temporary peace is no peace at all. Eventually this cycle of violence may result in Israel being on the losing side. Israel dragging its reputation through the mud internationally is also a very dumb move for a country that needs allies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    He is doing well in the polls, so he could well be re elected. His biggest flaw, which you overlook, is thinking he could manage Hamas because it helped him incrementally realise the vision of the Likud Charter. Hamas were a great foil to have because he could always point to them and say you can't make peace with these people. As I mentioned he boasted to colleagues that propping up Hamas was the best way to forestall a two state solution. Still persisting with your childish look over there mentality to defend Israeli war crimes. Karadžić should have used this defense at the Hague. Look your honor I may have engaged in a spot of ethnic cleansing, but be thankful because an Arab army would do far worse.

    In other news, I see the mossad was likely trying to disrupt and undermine the work of the ICJ . Just another crime for you to defend, but I think you outdid yourself with your excusing the IDF assisting Al Nusra.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/oct/08/dutch-prosecutors-mull-criminal-case-israel-interference-icc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    On October 8th last year, if Israel had demanded that Qatar hand over all of the senior Hamas leadership, they would have done it, the international pressure to do so would have been overwhelming. Qatar is not the same as Afghanistan was in 2001, they have a lot of western interests that they would have faced losing if they refused to comply, and very little reason to not comply with that request, if it had been demanded.

    The only reason Netanyahu did not even request their extradition, was because he wanted to bomb Gaza. He used October 7 as a pretext for his extremist plan to cleanse 'the holy lands' and to to force the Palestinians (and Lebanese) out of their homes so that the land can be annexed for good.

    The maxim "Never let a good crisis go to waste" in the hands of psychopathic leaders who are looking for a 'final solution' to a generational problem results in the kinds of genocidal acts that we are watching play out in front of our eyes every day.

    This has been how Israel has managed to keep the Palestinians down for decades. They constantly twist and provoke and insult and squeeze them through taking away their dignity and opportunity, and then when there is an inevitable outlash, they use this as an excuse to bomb them back a decade or two, keep them weak, hopeless. The few impotent strikes from the Palestinians were tolerated because having them as an external threat is politically invaluable to the narrative that Israel has to oppress them in order to protect their own safety. (on the other side of the fence, being a leader of Hamas, being the bigger fish in the smaller pond caused similar kinds of self interested exploitation by Hamas leadership as they all fought amongst themselves to climb to the top of the highest mound in their prison camp.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Impose international arms embargos on supplying any weapons to Israel until they enforce a full ceasefire in Gaza and allow full humanitarian assistance into Gaza, and stop striking targets in Lebanon and Iran

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, the Israeli right and islamists have had a sort of symbiotic relationship; one needs the other to justify their own modus operandi. Sinwar and the Bibi have a lot in common when you think about it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,257 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    As far as I can tell, Netanyahu's end game is to create a bigger 'buffer zone' where the population of Gaza are pushed further and further towards the Egyptian border into smaller camps while the rest of the land gets cleared and prepared for jewish settlement.

    That's as clear as day. Whether he gets away with that, depends on how the rest of the world reacts to this.

    In 10 years time, if we don't stop them, we'll be wringing our hands about how dangerous the Rafah refugee camp is, and every time a firework goes off, the Israelis will bomb the camp, killing dozens each time hoping that they population will choose to leave (and that the international community will find somewhere to house them)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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