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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    What (specifically) in his post was anti-semetic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,794 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Once or twice may be accidental. Three times starts to form a pattern. "At least eight strikes" looks like deliberate targeting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I agree with everything you say.

    I genuinely do try to be fair to both sides and avoid personal bias as much as possible (not saying your biased by the way). The posts were about a specific Israeli girl - she was only 19 and it was either her first or second day in the IDF. She deserved to be treated according to the Geneva conventions.

    The Palestinians have not only suffered what you state above for the last year, but over many decades. There is plenty of evidence for it from credible sources. Children arrested for throwing stones, a girl imprisoned for sending a WhatsApp message, "prisoners" raped, tortured and killed. And that's the IDF. The Settlers in the West Bank are equally as bad - burning Palestinians out of their homes and killing them. The list of atrocities is long. Whenever Israel says "they will investigate", they either don't, or if they find against a soldier, they're given a slap on the hand mostly. Nothing of consequence anyhow.

    As for the Israeli hostages, I think it is utterly despicable that they have been abandoned for so long. I just don't understand how Israel could open a second major front in Lebanon without making any serious attempts at rescuing the hostages in Gaza. They have told the IDF that Hamas is defeated - so where are the hostages then? Israel can easily use the technological prowess and weaponry to take out a specific person in a car. But cannot rescue the hostages? I said it previously - there was a crack Israeli unit specifically trained in hostage extraction. Its Captain was none other than Benjamin Netanyahu.

    As for the six hostages I referred to, the IDF reports were that they were shot prior to rescue. I have little trust in IDF reports and have stated here that the banning of journalists in Gaza is simply to hide the crimes committed by the IDF. I have no idea how they died but it is conceivable, on the basis of past form, that they may have been shot by the IDF in the cross-fire. We will either never know the truth or will be years before it comes out.

    Finally, I totally agree with you on equivalence - Israeli treatment of Palestinians is utterly repugnant, abhorrent and morally unjustifiable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,993 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Israel has banned foreign media from Gaza and they have killed dozens of media staff within Gaza

    "Journalists targeted and killed, newsrooms destroyed, internet and electricity cut off, foreign press blocked: since the start of the war in Gaza, Israeli forces have methodically destroyed the Palestinian territory's media infrastructure and stifled journalism. Reporters Without Borders (RSF) stands in solidarity with Gaza’s journalists and reiterates its urgent call to the international community to protect them."

    https://rsf.org/en/one-year-gaza-how-israel-orchestrated-media-blackout-region-war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Go back and read the post. You should be abe to work it out for yourself. Usual sad guff about the Jews ruling the world. Antisemitism as old as time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    On the day that's in it, BBC have posted this article.

    There are 42 million tons of rubble - it may take up to 15 years to remove it all. Gaza is a wasteland.

    Genocide is any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Published by CNN today:

    One of the biggest challenges for international news organizations has been the complete blockade of the Gaza strip by Israel (and supported by Egypt) of foreign reporters entering the enclave.

    Although the Israeli military has taken international reporters on dozens of “embeds” with their troops, the reporters on these trips have no freedom of movement and are not allowed to speak to Palestinians. The raw footage is also subject to Israeli military censorship. CNN’s Clarissa Ward is one of the only foreign journalists to have entered the strip without the Israeli military, when she embedded with a United Arab Emirates field hospital crew.

    The FPA has petitioned the Israeli Supreme Court to force the military to allow journalists to enter Gaza independently. So far, they’ve been unsuccessful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    On the basis of their own statement yesterday and presumably resistance from the US, it seems unlikely.

    But its entirely possible… We'll know in the coming hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I've never claimed to be unbiased, I'll openly admit I have no time whatsoever for people like you who are intent on excusing ethnic cleansing and war crimes by accusing anyone who you don't agree with of being anti-Semites.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Who sent this memo? Hamas or Hezbollah?

    Antisemitism was a pretty devalued currency in the Beer Halls of Munich in the 1930’s. A lesson from history we should all remember.

    Just because you and your ilk are weary of being correctly identified as being racists or anti-Semitic doesn’t make the accusation any less appropriate. The onus in any democracy is to always stand firm against any erosion of such values. 

    As for looking foolish. You’re one to talk.

    The last Israel/Lebanese war was in 2006. It only lasted 34 days with less than 200 Israeli causalities. Israel and the Lebanese Government signed UN resolution 1701 to end hostilities.  

    Israel adhering to a UN resolution to end the war is not Israel being beaten out of Lebanon by sad-sack Hezbollah, no matter how deep a cherished romantic desire this is for you.

    Hezbollah failing to adhere to UN resolution 1701 to disarm has of course been a disaster for the region, and the people of Lebanon, whom you will sometimes pretend to give a crap about when it suits.

    You’re basically spouting outright lies about the outcome of a conflict that anyone can look up online for clarification.

    That’s called propaganda. Why you’re choosing to publish Hezbollah propaganda is up to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Are you serious? First the IDF tried to order UNIFIL to leave the area. Then they set up firing positions right beside the Irish outpost.

    Lets pretend that Hezbollah set up rocket launch pads around the outpost and proceeded to fire off missiles into Israel from them. Would such actions and behaviour constitute a threat to the Irish soldiers in that outpost?

    Would Hamas, or Hezbollah, siting one of their magic and many command-and-control-centres in a residential area constitute a threat to the Gazan or Lebanese people living in that area? Kinda stumped you with that one - eh?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Munich putsch was 1923 so earlier.

    Curious, have you any opinion on Israeli war crimes? They have committed some? Or perhaps not?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Well, would you say what he posted was antisemitic or not?

    Because it either is or it isn't.

    The fact you have decided to ignore this kinda reveals that you do indeed think it is, but are forced to ignore such irritations because you're biased against Jews and would prefer to let him and other off with it as it doesn't fit with your agenda.

    Bottom line is, if you can't call out racism or antisemitism when it's right in front of you, it just doesn't reflect well on you as a person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Cause boards is awful. No idea how to find it. You can spend the time searching for it if you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I told you already, I don't think Sand is an anti-Semite based on seeing their posts for years if not decades now. If you are so intellectually deficient that you can't engage with people you disagree with without hurling accusations of racism and anti-Semitism then it really says more about you than anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    The asymmetry of how things are presented is blinding. The Israeli victims of Hamas' attack were shown to us over and over again. We got their backstories. Interviews from within their houses with their families etc. None of that is wrong, but we were not shown the same thing in relation to the victims of Israel's many many attacks.

    Below is a photo of a girl that was killed.

    Untitled Image

    She looks like she could be a girl living down the road from you. She could be your neighbour or your niece or your cousin. She's a Palestinian child who was killed early on in Gaza by an Israeli bomb. You don't see those images as often because it is more difficult to "other" the victims if you can see someone like you in them. You can probably identify with her whereas you might not identify with a shabbily dressed and unkempt crowd wailing in a foreign language carrying a body wrapped in a shawl



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I have no agenda either other than taking issue with ethnic cleansing and mass murder, but apparently you're another one of the cast who can live with tens of thousands of dead Arabs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I'm sure we'll have a robust rationale presented any time soon on how she got what she deserved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It helps to dehumanise them if they are only numbers and Israel can add "Hamas command and control centre" at the end of every sentence regarding the murders. Israel have certainly dehumanised the people of Gaza in the eyes of several gullible posters here.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I wouldn't even go into that. Her right to life was equal to any of the people who got killed at the music festival etc.

    One act committed by a group that are widely condemned as savage in their methods, the other committed by people we are told should know better and who have more power and control. That makes the latter worse in my book. The IDF soldier punching in the coordinates for the bomb strike from his safe and controlled bunker somewhere could have decided "no, I won't press send on this one". Hypothetically of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    And what about the Israeli hostages who were raped by those Hamas savages?

    What about that poor girl who was paraded around the streets of Gaza while your noble Palestinians cheered and spit on her?

    Anything to say about any of that?

    You are as bad as that loser Boyd Barrett yesterday on RTE who wouldn't condemn the massacre which occurred on October 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I completely agree, it's just a pity the majority of the apologists posting on this thread don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel chooses to adhere what UNGA and UNSC resolutions that suits it.

    And no, it appears it wasn't adhering to UN resolution 1701:

    The Lebanese government claims that Israel has violated the resolution over 7,000 times "by crossing Lebanese airspace," waters, and border on an almost daily basis since the implementation of the resolution with fighter jets and daily unmanned aerial vehicles flights across the southern Lebanese region.[58]

    During the south Lebanon bombings in August 2021, Lebanese state politicians stated concern over violations of Resolution 1701. Prime minister former at the time, Saad Hariri, posted on twitter, "... The situation on the border with the Israeli enemy is very, very dangerous and an unprecedented threat to Resolution 1701".[59]

    The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2013, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Israel has murdered 100,000 people in the last year … how many will they murder in the coming year ???

    Is it any wonder so many people hate them !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,190 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


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    What Hamas did on that day was disgusting. What has happened since is disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    I read a number of his posts and saw nothing that could be termed anti-semitism, let alone what you claimed. Your abject failure to quote something (despite being so offended as to remark on it) makes think that you are in fact making a false accusation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Hezbollah fighters have been ordered not to fire in the area of UN personnel who are being used as human shields by the IDF

    https://www.reuters.com/world/october-7-attack-anniversary-live-israel-gaza-one-year-2024-10-07/?arena_mid=i0RSZyw1fA497Li5T4ys



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Hadn't Israel asked the "human shields" to leave, and they (rightly) refused?

    Is there a role for peacekeepers when there is no peace to keep?



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