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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It certain is a prolific phenomena, just because it is mainstream doesn't mean it has lost meaning it shouldn't be called out .

    I hate to break it to you but they don't even do a tenth of what you imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The attack on the Russian radar close to an Iranian nuclear facilitiy a few months back is a good pointer. We have seen in the Ukraine war Russia's best air defense systems aren't really a match for the west's best weapons systems. Israeli pilots in their f35s can strike Iran with virtual imputiny. If Iran did actually have parity with Israel militarily, Bibi wouldn't be as gung ho for a wider war. Also the Iranians wouldn't be at pains to tell the Americans they don't want a wider war if they thought they could defeat the Israelis. That Iranian professor on Sky News is deluded if he genuinely thinks Iran can beat Israel. It's about as an absurd claim as those who continually state Israel faces an existential threat from a poorly trained army who rely on fighters jets from the 70s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭halkar


    It's not about having parity between Israel and Iran. Battles can be fought on skies but wars end on the land. Israel didn't even achieve anything in Gaza after a year. What do they expect to achieve against Iran other than few bombs here and there? As another poster pointed out above what if Iran says enough is enough and sends thousands of missiles without caring where they will land in Israel just like Israel doing in Gaza? After all every nation has a right to defend themselves. I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    How many launchers does have?

    It doesn't have that many, grand to have the missiles ready but not much good if the launcher is ruined or the depot was blown up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    No I don't agree. It might happen on some occasions, i'll grant you that, but this excuse for murder is being used all the time. Also there are plenty of videos of the IDF targeting people on the street with nobody hiding behind them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Would Iran have that capability. If things escalate the US will have planes over Iran, destroying everything that moves. The missile forces would be degraded very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭halkar


    That is the problem with Iran. Too many unknown about them. It's a gamble which I don't think Israel or US will win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They are just ensuring that they will always have enemies ready to fight them If I was Lebanese or Gazan and they dropped a huge bomb on my family home and killed some of my family members it would ensure that any of my remaining family would take up arms against them. That can be said of Gazans and Lebanese families too I'd expect.

    Israel is the common denominator for trouble in the entire region with their human rights abuses and land grabbing. Posters on here trying to get sympathy for them should realise what they are doing rather than deflecting from the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There'll be someone on shortly to tell us how Oxfam are antisemitic and telling lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭halkar


    US knows the consequences of attacking Iran. If it was just a matter of dropping few bombs here and there they would have done it long time ago. They are trying to keep the leash on bibi.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,803 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    And it will continue to become more and more meaningless because it's used in such a disingenuous fashion, and people using that why should understand it doesn't have the power they think it has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I don't know. Irans last attack was a free shot. Different if US planes actively trying to stop launches. Yes, US bases would be in danger for a while but after a few days Iran would not have much left to fight with.

    Then it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭halkar


    Iran is a nation of 90 million with history of almost 3000 years. Not like other nations around them that their borders were decided with mesuring tapes that US destroyed. It won't be fish in barrel :) As I said before Iran has full of unknowns which we may uncover soon with Israel actions. With Russia attack on Ukraine we have seen petrol shoot up to 2 euro. With attacks to Iran I expect we will see 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bibi was always overly cautious about war. Yet always pointed out that Iran was behind all the instability in the region and would eventually have to be stopped.

    His comment about everyone knows how a war starts but no one knows how they end is very true.

    Like many things in life that choice is not theirs but forced upon them so wondering is a luxury that they don't have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Referring to an Israeli person, who vocally criticizes the war, as a "genocide fanatic" and suggesting Ireland is better off without them.

    Somehow I think someone who called a Palestinian person who was vocally critical of Hamas a Jihadi terror fanatic wouldn't get the same pass and we both know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Rte reporting that the IDF have moved into a position beside the Irish army peacekeepers post in S. Lebanon. Now they wouldn't be trying to get Irish troops killed or injured, would they? The UN has raised it's concerns.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/1006/1473827-un-raises-concerns-over-idf-tanks-placed-close-to-irish-post/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    You might be correct but there is every chance that when it comes down to it the main surprises will be how much of a basket case their military is, just like Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Nugget89


    Absolute pricks. Using our soldiers as human shields.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Interesting -

    The British public, for a change, are not swallowing the politicians rubbish.

    ''Fortunately, these are not the universes inhabited by the British public. Two thirds of voters now have an unfavourable view of Israel, compared with 17% opting for favourable: a record low. Seven in 10 believe it likely that Israel has committed war crimes (just 8% dissent), while 54% believe an arrest warrant should be issued for Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes and crimes against humanity (with 15% dissenting).''



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    And if they do attack or are the reason our troops are killed or injured, there is fcuk all we can do about it since our military is in such a shambles from constant under investment for decades.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Is it possible they would able to "beat" Israel in a long war, if the US doesn't take part other than supplying Israel weapons? What will happen if the regime can survive the initial phases of such a war and enough of Iran's industry/infrastructure (and therefore ability to produce and fire large amount of ballistic missiles and drones at Israel) can escape Israeli airforce onslaught?

    I admit I don't know how strong the IAF is. Iran is a large and populous country with (seemingly) decent military and industrial resources and it is quite a long way from Israel when it comes to bringing airpower to bear. It is not Gaza or Lebanon (very weak, easy to reach + have very high tempo of air attacks).

    Might be hard for Israel to destroy enough fast (or collapse the regime somehow). I always thought they needed the US fully on side to wage such a war in safety (or just have the US do it). This would explain why Netanyahu has pushed so hard for so long to get the US to bomb Iran. If Isreal could have achieved it on their own (just with US weapons supplied), my thinking was, would a preemptive war not have been started by an Israeli govt. much sooner?

    Of course I agree there is no way whatsover Iran wants a war to happen (and they are likely very worried). I would not agree with others here that have said Iran's govt. is somehow reasonable or responsible, they are almost as bad as Israel's is. Ignoring how nasty they are to their own people at home, the foreign policy has been awful for a long time. Iran has a lot of bodies and victims on their account all across the ME, and even beyond, if you include all the deaths caused by their choice to provide military support to Russia. In a way Israel going completely berserk now and (possibly) bringing "real" war home to them is some unintended "blowback" from all the stirring Iran have been at, proliferating weapons to all sorts of people, sticking their nose into lots of things in pursuit of expanding political power and influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I have no idea what you are talking about nor why you are quoting me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I still have no idea what you are talking about or why you are quoting me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Iran would clearly win a long war. It's why the proposed israeli strikes are framed as decapitation strikes on the leadership or hits on specific infrastructure. Its to attempt to make the goal seem achievable. Whereas it would be obviously mad to propose israel could inflict a lasting defeat on Iran.

    And even with US aid to israel, Iran would still win a long war. The US doesn't have an amazing win record when backing states. South Vietnam, lost. Saddam's Iraq (vs Iran), lost. Israeli/US occupation of Lebanon, lost. Afghanistan, lost. Syrian rebels/ISIS (vs Iranian backed forces), lost. Ukraine, losing/lost. So the idea that the US gets involved, directly or otherwise and suddenly the opposing side collapses has no evidence to support it. Quite the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Solidarity across the entire warzone.

    A salute to those who shared the trenches in Syria from Russian forces fighting in Ukraine.

    One war. Many fronts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's even worse than that in Ireland: these are Jewish people, often Irish for generations, or in some cases who've here from elsewhere, like Lithuania - but who are not even Israeli. Yet they get harassed and vilified because they are perceived as being responsible for what Israel does.

    And people will say, Oh that's not anti semitism. Yes it is.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Iran would win a ground war at home against God almighty.

    Unfortunately for them God will be flying an Israeli F35 and have them in the dark, without banks, communications, everything that is basic to a functional country within 24 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    It really does show a complete lack of self-awareness for someone to come out and talk about how unbearable life in Ireland is becusse Irish people are vocally opposed to the genocide their country is carrying out.

    If someone thinks living in Ireland is unbearable, I wonder how think Palestinians are getting on in Gaza?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    UN sites have consistently been used as firing positions by Hezbollah, so this is a protection as well. Deny the Jihadis proximity to the UN.



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