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Dangerous Dogs Owners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Those animals charities couldn’t believe their luck! 20 free spaces in their kennels now and it would be illegal for Sweden to send them back. Very much a case them finding someone who came down in the last shower 😂

    What saddens me about this whole thread and debate in general is that is it all about the absolute right of someone to possess another creature for their enjoyment. There is nobody advocating for everyone else’s right to walk down their street or go to a park and not have to worry about being confronted by a potentially dangerous animal. The only thing the owner of this animal needs to possess it is money.
    We don’t let people drive a car legally without training etc. You wouldn’t let a car driver behind the wheel of a bus with no training as that would be reckless as a society to allow that.
    Yet we equate the skills of owning all dogs as the same. Owning a pug is a very different proposition to owning a staffie. Our laws need to recognise that.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭REPTILEDAN88


    The car analogy doesn't really work though, because every other dog breed owner is not getting mandatory training to be competent dog owners, nor are powerful super cars being involved in many road deaths just because they're powerful either.
    The majority of road deaths are due to people not paying attention, driving too fast where they shouldn't etc not because car CAN go fast. Ironic of me bringing this up as I was actually run over along with a friend and another one narrowly avoided being hit by someone on their phone ON THE FOOTPATH too no less and this person wasn't going that fast but they did come out of a blind bend exit whilst on their phone not paying attention whilst driving. There was no mentions of banning Rottweilers or Dachshunds or Presa Canarios when Glen Murphy, Mia O'Connell or Teresa McDonagh were killed and Presa Canarios have still not been added to the restricted breed list like the government said they were going to.

    The vast majority of XL Bullys are decent owners, however they're a breed plagued with health problems too because of their popularity of people breeding for size and colours rather than good genetics they've got bad backs and hips in alot of cases then you have owners like Nicole Morey who by the sounds of it was in way over her head, taking in 4 dogs two of which didn't get on with each other and she was seen online asking about dog trainers, along with the fact at least one of her XL Bullys had cropped ears something which is illegal here so there is a fairly high chance they were from a less than good dog breeder too along with her getting older dogs she didn't raise herself so had no idea if they had dog/dog dog/people aggression etc. But noone likes when victims are blamed even if it was partly their fault or someone close to them so lets kill all of these dogs because a minority had bad experiences around them. I'm all for people being responsible dog owners but this means owners of ALL breeds need to do basic training at a minimum like recall and use common sense like one thing I see alot is extendable leads being used next to busy roads with the dog on the outside half the time walking in cycle lanes where they just shouldn't be. There seems to be a general thought among alot of people that these dogs are all bred for fighting or as protection/intimidation dogs owned by drug dealers, which is more rubbish and if people DID want a protection dog theres FAR better options out there like the Malinois, which you could have doing housetrained and doing basic bite sleeve work before they're even 2months old IF you went to good breeders and trained them properly, they're not a dog for most people either they're very high energy even as a family pet one unless you're willing to put the time into them don't bother getting one.

    XL Bullys are a fad dog breed atm, and if they all disappeared tomorrow, anyone looking to use a dog for fighting/intimidation/protection WILL just move to another breed, BANS never work whether its dog breeds, guns, drugs etc. Sure look at the UK thy banned APBT's in the 90's and in 30 years they should have all died out but no they're still there again used by people for fighting/intimidation/protection AND as pets too in alot of cases. Just like the APBT, the XL Bully will still available even if dogs are being judged by having a "look" to them they're being treated like they've all done something wrong. Now imagine now if that was people being judged on what they looked like in that they're probably upto no good because they have darkskin and a beard as thats what happened recently in NI with Sikh's being attacked, sure don't they look like them dangerous Muslims was the assailants thoughts no doubt or when they police done it and shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead because they thought he looked like Hussain Osman…..he didn't though they f*cked up killing an innocent man.

    Ireland needs to really sort its animal welfare out and stop funding horse racing and greyhound racing and start teaching kids in schools about animals like a lot of US schools have done with classroom pets from kindergarten up they have lizards, fish guinea pigs, rabbits, hamsters etc and its reported to have helped their social skills and they academic performance, to me that can only be a good thing. There needs to be something done with so many peoples dogs being overweight too, just ask any vet they'd tell you the same. Peoples pets are not being exercised and are in a lot of cases fed rubbish food too just like some peoples kids are indoors all the time and fed chipper food, which end up being lifelong health problems down the line if nothings done to change that but again its the parents who are responsible for their kids upbringing just like any dog owner is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,223 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I was in a park this afternoon, and a guy(he wasn't Irish, that's for sure) was walking along with an XL bully dog off the lead, and he had a tennis ball or similar and was playing fetch.

    I said sorry, but you know full well that dog is supposed to be on a lead and muzzled. And he was like and what? I said it to him, are you going to put that dog on a lead, or do I have to call the guards? He did in fairness then put it on the lead, but who knows if he went down further and let it off again. I did give out to him some cop on, and that he shouldn't have to be told.

    There are similar signs around the park.

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    He literally passed by one less than 10 metres away, as if he needed to be told. Some people just don't give a 💩 and think they can do whatever they like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Always thought that all dogs in public must be on lead. Hopefully you do correct all Irish and foreign dog owners on your adventures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    No, only Restricted Breeds need to be on a leash in public, all others need to be under 'effective control'.

    That said most parks have their own by laws which would include ALL dogs being on a leash.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Ah ok, I always thought that all dogs must be on a leash in public, bar from places designated for dogs.

    Edit: Looks like you are right, but if that's the case, bsl related legislation here makes even less sense to me. I honestly thought that all dogs have to be on a lead in public.

    Post edited by xhomelezz on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    are muzzels not required for certain breeds. i never see them. recently in the park was almost attacked by a dog. fotunately the girl owner had him on a lead but was barely strong enough to restrain it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Just keep your dogs away from me.

    I don't know dogs and I don't want to. I don't need education, I don't want them near me.

    Extendible leads should be banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    no idea. but big enough to give the teenage girl trying to restrain it a tough time. gave me quite a fright since she only caught it about a foot from lunging at my neck. happened over by chapelizod gate. i might look into some pepper spray of something to carry in future.

    i'm in the phoenix park on an almost daily basis and i seem to see more and more dogs off lead….but i cant say for sure …could be imagining it. the phoenix park is way busier these days than say ten years ago. i guess it goes with ever more apartment living and population increase.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,223 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    The park I was in is one that requires "ALL dogs must be kept on a lead" with numerous signs up stating this. Restricted dog breeds have to be kept on a short lead and muzzled when out in public, not just in parks, that's the law. But a lot of dog owners flagrantly ignore this.

    Edit: To be exact, the signs say "Dogs must be kept on a lead at all times".

    Post edited by sligeach on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,120 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Some Dublin parks (at least) allow dogs off the lead for an hour after opening and an hour before closing. The dog still has to be under effective control though.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,624 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I see a 10 year old girl killed in the UK by an xl bully. Jesus christ, the mind boggles to why people are still getting these dogs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,385 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Well yes, the law in Ireland is pretty clear on that. Owner should be held responsible. That's why many are advocating for responsible dog ownership, regardless the breed.. And guess why is that? To avoid this kind of shít happening, it's really simple when you think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Our local drug dealer in county Limerick has 5 pitbull types , 2 of which are these XBullies - he was asked by a neighbour did he get licenses for XBullies and he started laughing …. who’s going to do anything about it he said … nobody was his answer !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,385 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Last time I will give to an animal charity. They should have better things to be doing with money collected.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/court-partially-halts-xl-bully-ban-due-to-come-into-force-tomorrow/a230289925.html

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,385 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A quite phone call to the local Gardai and tge ERU will be delighted to sort that.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭Torcaill




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭Sarcozies


    To all the people in here saying that the breed of the dog makes no difference and that it's down to the dog owner, I have a question.

    Would you rather be stuck in a room for 48 hours with a full size XL Bully who had a good owner or a full size sausage dog who had a bad owner?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    No good owner would let their dog for 48 hours in the room with stranger.. A bit bizarre scenario there.

    No one says that breed of the dog makes no difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,588 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Exactly.

    I think recent enough stat from UK over 65% of dog attacks are from pitbull type breeds.

    Dachshunds can be grumpy wee gits of a dog but a bite from one of them versus a pitbull...night and day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,828 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,414 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Start with the judge

    "You cannot bring back a dead dog to life," said the judge.

    FFS

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yeah probably. But that has nothing to do with dog breeds, or with the dogs generally. It's a problem on the other side of the leash, which is happily ignored by some posters and authorities too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Stuck in a room with any dog for 48 hours would drive me mental. But if it was case of which of those dogs I'd like to dog sit for a few days, I'd take the the well trained XL thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,828 ✭✭✭✭walshb




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,828 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No matter how caring and responsible an owner is, one slip and an XL Bully turns, and it is carnage.

    Post edited by walshb on


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