Israel are going to start WWIII

Exactly, it’s not a Hollywood movie. Your massively racist opinion that Muslims are just Hollywood bad guys who were born evil and are just there to be mass murdered by the Heroic occupiers is hilariously simplistic and wrong.

Israel is hated because of its actions. Because of its brutal massacre of civilians. Because of its decades long oppression of the native people. Because of its illegal occupation of land it has no right to. Because of its frequent bombing and invasion of neighbouring countries.

There is no motive for other countries to hate Israel “just because” - they hate it for what it has done to them. If Israel starts behaving like a civilised country then relations could normalise, nobody else has any interest in attacking them other than those who are fighting back against oppression. Even in the face of extreme Israeli aggression over the past year Iran has tried time and again to deescalate as it has no interest in major conflict.

Israel for its part has made its motive clear, it’s in Likud’s charter, they are driven by a belief that all this land is theirs as proclaimed by god and they believe they have the right to murder anyone who gets in the way of that. If they stop terrorising people, people will stop having reasons to fight back.

So you agree the EU is essentially a supine lap dog that obeys its master . I would love if Ursula developed a backbone and wasn't a massive hypocrite.

Well I'm inclined to agree. Faced with the alternative, I would reluctantly choose the secularist hard man over the Jihadist/ religious nut.

Back you go to moaning about the US simultaneously being responsible by interfering in Middle East and begging for US to return to their old policies of being world policeman

All while ignoring that europe can actually do something but we don’t care and are making too much money from the region

in terms of landmass. Iran is about 7 times bigger than the UK.

What's with the UK? This is an Irish discussion board.

Luxembourg is even slightly bigger then Israel.

Maybe you should check your sums there.

It's air force is vastly superior. Like, Iraqi Gulf War v Coalition better.

It's air defense systems are incomparably better. It's technology is vastly superior.

These aren't opinions, they are facts.

The world hasn't stood still as you seem to be suggesting. Iran's missiles can reach everywhere in Israel, as they have proved twice this year. No airforce is going to stop them, and PaperDome® has been shown to be as good as a paper umbrella in the rain. So I wouldn't count on Israel being able to defend itself any more; in fact it has already been widely reported that they have needed the US, UK, France and Jordan to help them out.

Regarding Jordan - I wouldn't bet on the regime surviving for long if they don't distance themselves from the US as Saudi, Bahrain, and the other countries of the Persian gulf have done.

Moreover if Iran has received the Russian S400s they requested, Israeli planes might be in for a bit of a shock if they attack.

This is the same Iran which has same planes from over 50 years ago which still carry damage from their spat with Iraq

Yes the world did move on but Iran didn’t

Huh?

You have me confused with someone else.

Anyway, you listened to some half wit claim the EU could end the war and you regurgitated that here without any sort of critical thought.

That's what I pulled you up on.

Now you watered that down completely.

Moving on.

It's literally a known fact that Israel's air force, military, and defense technology is decades superior to Iran.

I also, literally, said in my post that of course Iran can cause damage. No-one's going to dispute that. But Iran isn't going to win a war with just ballistic missiles given a) Israel's defense network b) allied assistance for interception and c) Israel would obliterate their conventional air force/defense networks, leaving them defenseless.

Re: Iron Dome. If that's the level of childishness you're going to devolve to no point in debating. Iron Dome isn't even used to intercept Ballistic Missiles by the way.

And at no point has anyone, ever, claimed they are 100% effective. But they do work.

With that logic no country would ever employ any level of air defense ever because if anything gets through it's "useless".

Can you point out an air defense system or anti-ballistic system in the world that comes with a guarantee of a 100% success rate?

And can you clarify……if someone fires say, 100 missiles and 70% are intercepted, because 30% got through you might as well have let 100% get through? And your defence network is "a paper umbrella in the rain".

Because that's the logic you are imparting here.

It seems to be there's an overlap in your mind between what is real and what you want to be real based on your dislike of Israel.

So the EU is going to collapse?

Could be 2 months could be 2 years, they came fairly close last summer

But tell you what, why don’t you relocate yourself and your family to Russia and tell us how you get on

Odd reply just asking how posters here think Russia is on the verge of collapse. Where is the evidence of this collapse ? Its just wishful thinking

Edit. Oops. Was trying to quote a post and I'm on mobile. Didn't work.

No, you said Russia will collapse and then the EU or vice versa. You need to explain that.

Could you also explain how 27 individual countries address those "challenges" more effectively than one block?

You may have noticed that i didn't mention Iran's airforce. An airforce is useful to attack an enemy who has no effective defences against air attack. Like tanks, aircraft of this sort are moving into the realm of outdated weapons.

As I said above to thatsdaft, I didn't bring up the airforce as it is on the way to becoming irrelevant as an attack tool to a fully modern military and only useful for shítting on people without any air defences.. As high-quality air defences become more common and more effective, different weapons are required which is why Iran's hypersonic missiles are a game changer as they can get through.

Neither did I mention "iron dome". Israel's air defences were designed to stop Hezbollah and Hamas, not Iran. Israel's anti-missile defences are in tatters - which is why it's now generically called PaperDome®. I'd say any country that bought Israeli air defence systems is now looking for a refund. And they won't be selling any more of them to anyone either; all that capacity in their factories now out-phased. Their much-vaunted military industry is going under as we speak, along with their currency