The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

I already said, where's there's muck there's brass. I'm not that naive, and wouldn't be shocked to find out that major corporations (and now even State owned sports "assets") are involved in sportswashing. It's fairly common knowledge.

We have an economic system that is driven by a profit motive and many of the challenges humanity (not the GAA) face are based on the inexorable demand for growth and the "externalising" of risks (climate change, pollution, corporate loopholes to avoid tax to invest in social services and so on).

However, a quick scan of the main GAA sponsors to counties there are mostly local companies involved in engineering, construction, hotels and the manufacture of foods. You could argue that car sponsorship (Clare, Westmeath) contributes to climate change or that fast food (Galway) is bad for people's health. Or that provision of accommodation for tourists has an impact on accommodation costs long-term for people looking to live in the area (Dublin). Or the demand for energy for data centres having a huge impact on energy provision and climate change (Wicklow). Or that the manufacture of timber (Longford) or cardboard (Armagh) has an impact on people's health or that someone knows poor employment practices or sustainability. Or that the manufacture of certain foods are ethically dodgy based on your views on consuming meat (Kildare, Offaly) or that dairy faming has an impact on the water quality due to nitrates (Kerry). We could keep going on and on.

For me, it is worth talking about Kingspan and Cavan. Kingspan are based in our county, are hugely successful and are a massive corporation. Pretending that their role in Grenfell and the deaths of 72 people doesnt exist or is part of some sort of witch hunt is naive.

Seventy two people died and families have been torn apart and they did have a role, as the Grenfell inquiry found:

"The eport found that Kingspan “knowingly” created a “false market in insulation” from 2005 onwards for use on buildings over 18 metres tall by claiming its K15 product had been part of a system that had been successfully tested under the BS 8414 cladding fire safety test, meaning it could be used in the wall of any building of that height regardless of its design or other components.

As Kingspan knew, K15 could not honestly be sold as suitable for use in the external walls of buildings over 18 metres in height generally, but that is what it had succeeded in doing for many years. The inquiry branded this a “false claim”, adding: “As Kingspan knew, K15 could not honestly be sold as suitable for use in the external walls of buildings over 18 metres in height generally, but that is what it had succeeded in doing for many years.”

Kingspan relied on the results of a single cladding fire safety test performed in 2005, on a system whose components were not representative of a typical external wall, the report said, and found that the firm continued to rely on that test despite changing the composition of K15 in 2006.

Further tests on systems incorporating K15 in the following two years were “disastrous”, the report said, but Kingspan did not withdraw the product from the market, “despite its own concerns about its fire performance”.

In 2009, Kingspan obtained a certificate that “contained false statements about K15”, the report said, and on which it relied “for many years to sell the product”, adding that it made a “calculated decision” to use the certificate to “mask, or distract from, the absence of supporting test evidence”.

The report said Kingspan “cynically exploited” the industry’s lack of detailed knowledge about insulation and cladding fire safety tests, and “relied on the fact that an unsuspecting market was very likely to rely on its own claim about the product”.

I think whoever wins between Gowna and Ramor will win the thing out. Neither team have left second gear so far this year.

The league final was telling Ramor went out and played some lovely football in the first half and likewise Gowna in the second half.

Crosserlough have not been tested yet and the Geals possibly without Geroid will struggle in the semi.

No pressure from within. Nobody in the club expects them to win it. Gowna showed how far ahead of us they were last year and Lynch was playing then.

I would take that statement with a lorryload of salt. There's no one in Crosserlough who is thinking that.

For one, last season McVeety and Smith were barely fit to move last year. Even with Lynch missing, Crosserlough are probably (fitness wise) are in a better place. Yes, they've not been tested. The Gaels will give them a ratle but I would bank on them making the final

Gowna will get nothing handy from Ramor, in fact in the middle of the park Ramor might boss them. Brady being being is a huge boost. I think Gowna have better forwards and will win it, and have mutliple matchwinners but wouldn't fall off my chair if Ramor eked out a tight win.

We’ll go on the rip after the final. Hopefully we keep it to a single digit loss. Last year was a 7 point loss so anything less than that is a positive.

Yes it is.

question , how is the split season working out in a county like cavan where only one code is realistically played , i have noticed only now monaghan football games are being shown on clubber surely they are not only starting now ?

we have been crying out for something like this for years , we might not be that strong at football but we have a strong club football scene like say meath or kildare have a strong hurling scene at club level , is it because only one code beig played and the big gap that is making the club championship boring ? or is it something else

I'd be of a similar thinking. A lot of prominent county men throughout that Gowna panel.

I’m lost here. In the first post “Gowna are working with a less talented group of players” yet now “Gowna have a better team overall”?

How exactly can you be working with a less talented group of players yet have a better team overall?

And your example of players operating at a higher level is Conor Rehill who had one good intercounty season 5 years ago!

Appears you went on a fishing trip, your intended target didn’t bite and now you’ve landed yourself a big contradiction.

Gowna have Mark McKeever who you have omitted. Arguably the most seasoned player in the county.

You also point to Rehill who, as I said, had one decent intercounty season five years ago.

James Smith has not excelled at intercounty - mainly IMO because he is very rarely played in his best position. Paddy Lynch won’t play any part this season.

The Gowna lads are a lot younger than McVeety. They are only finding their feet. There is plenty of time for them to develop and move forward.

Do out a combined team of the two and how many positions are Gowna compared to Crosserlough? 

Gowna have by far the superior team as they showed last year and will again this year, unfortunately.

Lad is the Cavan GAA app fucked for anyone else ? No tickets listed for the games this weekend ? Leaving it very late.

Id say the weather forecast might put the neutrals off Saturday.

They have an issue alright. I'm on a committee group chat for Cavan clubs where it was highlighted, and the PRO knows about it and is fixing