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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,803 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Netanyahu and his fellow headbangers in Likud wants escalation. They want the conflict to expand and go on. Because when it stops, they have an awful lot of explaining to do and will, in all likelihood, find themselves out of power in Israel. The longer this goes on, the more chance they have of consolidating their position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Middle East is a cesspit of backward ideologies and religions and ethnic hatred, maybe a huge war is what's needed for these idiots to wake up and realise this is no way to move forward in the 21st century, total carnage then start over. Just a pity the women and children can't be saved first, as always it is toxic men driving the violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,623 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Netanyahu will find himself in jail when the war cabinet dissolves. He is under investigation and almost a certainty to be found guilty, but this cannot happen while he is PM.

    Don't forget there have been massive public protests against the netanyahu government in Tel Aviv for months and months. He is well and truly holding the country to ransom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,803 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Support of Israel is US Inc. policy. Of course Biden, nor any US President, hasn't any sway over that. How can they? I think a lot of people seem to believe that a President has some sort of super power with how they can act and that they can do it with impunity. They really can't. And none of them are going to go against supporting America's "hard man" in the Middle East. There's too much of a realpolitik situation with regards to American interests in the region and that cannot be interfered with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    did the Irananian leaders just do enough to stay alive or will Israel carry out an SMO soon, what with the one year anniversary of 7th Oct and the US without any sort of leader it would be a good time to do some accounts settling

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,806 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Weirdly, Iran is the one who's shown the most restraint so far. Israel say they're following a path of deescalating through escalating. Their plan seems to be to always up the ante in the hopes that someone will back down. Essentially playing chicken with everyone. So far Iran has been doing the minimum it has to do to save face.

    And I think Israel will push harder now. Bibi is being led by the Hawks in his government. They're the ones pushing for a ground war in Lebanon. They're the ones who have no problems starting a full scale war with Iran. And Bibi will do what he's told because he needs them to keep him in power and out of prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,803 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hopefully Timmy. He's, absolutely, one of the most disgusting world leaders operating at present and that's saying something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭yagan


    So have palestinians. It's just Israel have had the military advantage to displace palestinians from their land since 1948.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Not quite true. Regan put manners on Shamir when he suspended military aid to Israel. Bush Senior did it too. Now it maybe that APIAC is more powerful now or that it being an election cycle Bibi has Joe snookered. Although I have a feeling Joe being a self declared proud zionist wouldn't do it at any time. By the way the US Government has given over 310 billion dollars to Israel since 1948.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,498 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The ottoman empire was also an invader and it wasn't a benign ruler either.

    If you look the history of Iran it's also had its own history of wars.

    It's not true that the middle East has only become violent since the creation of Israel or the influence of western imperialism.

    Trying to work out which is more violent seems an exercise in futility along the lines of what did the Romans ever do for us. They weren't benign either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Iran

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category%3AMassacres_in_the_Ottoman_Empire



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭yagan


    The thing about the massive foreign aid the US sends to the likes of Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia to quell tensions after every flairup, what will happen when, and it will happen, the US simply can't afford it anymore?

    If they pick a favorite then they're committed to boots on the ground if everyone else they had been buying off bands together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Good to know missiles can get through the Israeli defence. Hopefully the worlds worst creation will be consigned to the history book soon. It has failed from day 1 with hundreds of thousands of people killed because of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I suspect he will cut some sort of deal to avoid a jail sentence. According to the BBC he has received a bounce in the polls after the decimation of the Hezbollah military and political leadership. Although that could prove to be fleeting- I hope so anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    in fairness Iran was pushed around by the west after WW2 not to mention the regime change in the 50's , all because the west wanted to control its oil, it would be more the exception that major decisions werent decided this way

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,101 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yet again no anti-semitism involved at all. Great to see such honesty for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭yagan


    Western media always overlook why the despot the west installed in Iran inspired a revolution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There is absolutely no doubt by some Israeli commentators that October 7th was orchestrated to a point by Bibi and his Ghouls with the soul aim of destroying the very notion of a 2 state solution ever happening. Keeping him out of prison was an added bonus.

    He is just as dangerous as anything else in that region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you could write a 1000 page book called Blowback and it wouldnt cover half of it

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,498 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not entirely sure the the value of selectively picking one period from half a century ago. It doesn't negate the history before or since. The region rules are well able to create their own wars and conflicts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,802 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,498 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not sure it is overlooked. Seems well reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    not selectively, just highlighting the constant ripple effects of interference in countries where oil etc was involved.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,802 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Seems to be quite a few who are saying "attack Iran and you'll suffer the consequences ".

    Are they militarily a strong nation? I suspect people are over estimating their ability. I don't think you'll ever see Israeli soldiers actually in Iran in a land war, it'll all be from the air, and let's be honest Israel will have an unlimited supply of bombs to drop from the US, UK and the west. They have the tech and knowledge to win a war from those kind of attacks, based on what we have seen in the last few weeks, where they have taken out all the top men in Hezbollah without much problem.

    It reminds me of the Iraq war when we were told quite often that the US would make a massive mistake by invading and they'd be hammered by the elite Iraqi troops. But they walked all over them with next to no resistance.

    I suspect people are hyping up Irans capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,498 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Constant interference even before oil was discovered. Vast history of wars and invasions pre the discovery of oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭yagan


    I'd be wary of believing every hit Israel says it executed. It seems every neonatal ward Israel destroyed in Gaza was a Hamas HQ, and every infant they murdered were Hamas masterminds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,498 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Iran strength is in numbers and it's sheer manufacturing capacity. They have a massive technical deficit though.

    As you say I can't see It being a land war.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thats a very partial reading of Iraq, the consequences of the invasion of Iraq has caused massive lingering effects, led directly to the expansion of ISIS. It also effectively brought down the Blair government. It was a huge disaster for the whole region and has cost the USA vast amounts of resources and money and credibility with almost no tangible benefit.

    Not inconsequential at all.

    Going after Iran is likely to have similar impacts on israel and the region. Pressure is growing on all the Israeli allies to pull back supports - and it is guaranteed to grow if people see Israel destabalizing the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,802 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    But even their enemies have admitted all their top leaders and commanders have been killed.

    So the Israelis have good intel to find these guys, or else they are getting info fed to them by informers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,802 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I'm not dismissing the invasion of Iraq as as non event. Of course it was huge on the world stage and did indeed cause massive problems we are still feeling to this day.

    What i was pointing out was the hyping up of the Iraqi military and how they would crush any invading force, when what happened in effect was that they capitulated or ran away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    thats history innit , funnily enough I was watching a documentary on the origins of the Vietnam war (before my time) but as per Hollywood it generally came across as America standing up to commies but seeing the build up as being the French trying to hold on to an empire post WW2 lol , in black and white watching it it come across as ridiculous where you could say the French were the "bad guys" and the American were dupes at best

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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