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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    There seems to be little interest or sentiment anymore in brand or cultural identity in the airline industry.

    The glamour and style dimension has long gone, replaced by the relentless pursuit of profit, reduction of cost and minimal spend in anything other than the bare essentials.

    Maybe it's good housekeeping but it makes for a very boring product in today's world of travel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    The first A321XLR for Aer Lingus, test reg D-AZXY, is currently on its 7th test flight. I’m guessing Airbus need as much data as possible as they push for entry into service, I believe the first delivery to Iberia has slipped by a couple of weeks again.

    It also probably isn’t ideal for Airbus to have an aircraft considerably further along in production and testing compared to the one they’re actually supposed to deliver first.

    The first one for Iberia, test reg D-AVYR, doesn’t appear to have flown at all yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    EI-XLR must be more or less ready for delivery at this point, the first flight was 2 months ago! I think it's stated to be delivered in November and first flight in December. I wonder if the Iberia frame is delayed much more could Aer Lingus end up being the first to operate again.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I doubt it. It would be embarrassing for EI Exec's if this was switched again.
    EI dont want/need the aircraft until December



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,276 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    I believe that this is the only production XLR to have flown to date. It's more than just another A321LR. From the outside, I'm not sure how one can judge that it must be more or less ready for delivery by now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    It’s hard to tell from the photos of EI-XLR but it doesn’t appear to have its cabin fitted yet. Usually the business class seat is visible in a few of the windows but that doesn’t seem to be the case yet.

    As for the aircraft otherwise being ready, it’s impossible to tell but it’s obviously much further ahead in production and testing than the actual first delivery, Iberia’s EC-OIL, which has yet to even have an engine run.

    The amount of test flights EI-XLR has had is interesting though, this is possibly because it’s the first production aircraft but not the first one to be delivered so they’re making the most of it for data and additional certification purposes while they can.



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have seen economy seats visible from photos of EI XLR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 LimaBravoTango




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    Rumours of Indianapolis? Rumoured they're announcing more than one though, next month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,835 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    I've now heard the following 5 cities rumoured in online aviation and media circles:

    Nashville (seemingly a foregone conclusion)

    Indianapolis

    St. Louis

    Raleigh/Durham

    Pittsburg

    I wonder was Montreal ever considered for relaunching? It was announced in the late 2010s along with MSP but never took off (what was the reason it didn't?). Anecdotally, I'm just back from a mini trip to YUL with AC and the flight over and back was only 50 to 60% full and this was only a 3/4 times weekly summer flight so I don't think it's considered lucrative. Toronto on the other hand has 4 airlines flying direct from DUB so it just shows where the Canadian demand is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    it was due to start in 2019, then there was delays with aircraft deliveries and was pushed back until 2020 hit and then Covid hit.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-postpones-launch-of-dublin-montreal-route-1.3814182



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    Probably not Raleigh anymore since it's close to CLT where AA already operate to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Ita about 2 and a half hours with a huge population in an economically strong area.

    1 flight a day to each airport alongside a proper JV with tier credits and points awarded on the account you want would be a winner.



  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you know if the LR or the XLR will operate YYZ next summer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    Judging by the seat map on the website its the LR currently



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Both aircraft are interchangeable, both have 16/168 seats.
    I would assume that EI will plan the XLR on the longer narrowbody routes, MSP, PHL, IAD and possibly BNA.

    The XLR has a larger cargo capacity than the LR, (removal of the ACTs) so presumably that will influence operational deployment.

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  • Posts: 168 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thats what i was wondering. The XLR has longer range so thought the LR would do YYZ.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Reading elsewhere that Indianapolis airport will announce a new TATL route "in October"

    A Sept 12th interview with their CEO listed "Paris, Dublin and Frankfurt" as routes he would love to see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Not sure if already mentioned but Discover have pulled out of a potential new FRA to BNA route even though Nashville airport prematurely leaked the launch to the media. This makes an EI route for BNA even more viable.

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/new-international-flights-coming-to-nashville-airport/amp/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    I kind of already know the answer to this but with more aircraft and more North American routes, does this not leave EI very exposed should things go tits up in the US with a potential return of Trump, the general American economy and all. EI could be left with a hell of a lot of aircraft should the US catch a cold.

    CPT was talked about in 2003, the short lived service to Dubai in 2006. I would have thought that HKG with connections with CX would have been a good move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,751 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    HKG is currently the political equivalent of what the US under Trump could become, not particularly stable



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Yes I suppose it would but they are ideally places for a connection hub between the US and Europe so not hugely surprising that’s the market they are doing business with.
    Would be great to see some other destinations added



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    By the way, LAS first flight (25/10) is full in J, about 30 seats in Y.

    Coming back is almost empty!! (not surprising)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    If they keep adding US flights will they need to expand the short haul network to meet demand?

    Maybe beef up the network for the 2nd wave of flights coming in from the US?

    *I realize all the above will be influenced by the cap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 jowidon24


    BNA seems to have Icelandair as (European) operator for S25.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    It's possible but in small amounts. At the moment they will have to reduce short haul flying to be able to expand on long-haul. Having said that, it's not impossible to make some small but strategic moves. Example is Rome being increased to 3 times a day with an overnighting aircraft which seems to have been successful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    I understand the issues of the cap but, in theory, if Aer Lingus keep expanding in the US including 330 routes to the west coast, by 2030 or before that won't they have run out of routes to start? I'm sure they won't start every route that another carrier is on as well. What will they do then? Canada would only be a few routes and grows with the US. Mexico? South America? Asia?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    They don’t have any aircraft orders after the forthcoming XLR’s so who knows. Growth doesn’t always have to be new routes. A lot of expansion has been existing routes being increased over time.
    I think there is a lot of room to expand on existing routes, you could see a 3rd daily flight to JFK and BOS at some stage possibly and a second daily on either SFO or LAX was discussed at one point.



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