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Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,841 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    These incidents and photos are from urban areas.

    Maybe for you. But where I am, there's probably at least a few hundred DRS machines within that radius.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Of course those incidents are from urban areas. That's where people gave to travel to in order to return the bottles and cans. And it's great you have so many machines near you. A good many aren't so fortunate. What part of this don't people get?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,517 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    So another example of I'm fine, feck anyone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭bog master


    Interesting article on plastic and recycling in America. Are we also being led astray in Ireland and the EU ?

    If paywalled, let me know, will sort it out for ye.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/09/24/california-exxonmobil-plastic-recycling/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭bmc58


    Did they charge you 15c extra?If so report them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭jj880


    Gombeenery.

    Why have Councils provide plastic return banks when you can create a cash cow and pretend there was no other option? "ThE eU mAdE uS dO iT" isnt fooling anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,101 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Don’t think so to be fair. They were given with food when over €30 was spent or something. Must check next time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,112 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I put one between my lips one day while I was zipping up my bag and getting a basket in case they'd think I was robbing something.

    I was wandering around the shop for ten minutes before I realised the bloody thing was still sticking out of my mouth 😳🤣.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,841 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    No. I never said that. But if you're talking about urban, suburban and rural. Two thirds of the country's population would be classified as urban/suburban, if not more. Meaning they're not far from shops and by extension DRS machines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    In effect you did. Someone says it's many miles to a machine and you reply that there are loads within easy reach for you. At least 35% of the population don't live within easy reach of a machine. You also said you visit the shop several times a week when, again, many people don't have that luxury, or the shops near them do not have machines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,841 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    No, I'm getting really tired of this. The person replied to my post and my photos.

    The person I specifically was posting about isn't living out in the middle of nowhere, and it definitely wasn't his household waste. It's in the heart of Dublin. So all your other points, and theirs are moot. I wasn't talking about rural shoppers. I'm done with this now, quote me again on the matter and I'm going to ignore you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Okay, enough. It was posted that someone had to travel 17km or more to a machine.

    You replied

    Maybe for you. But where I am, there's probably at least a few hundred DRS machines within that radius.

    Elsewhere you thought it incredulous that people would build up several bags of returns due to weekly shopping and that you were at shops with machines several times a week.

    All that was being pointed put was that you are not everyone. People live quite a distance from machines, people shop monthly, and people build up quite a stack of returns. And telling someone who hasn't easy access that you have, smacks of "what's the issue, I'm fine".

    No big deal, but keep in mind that one size doesn't fit all.

    I'll leave it at that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,641 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It is 17 miles (27 km) in the post. Not that it matters but I doubt there are people even within that radius who have a few hundred machines. Certainly not a few hundred DRS shops.

    Post edited by dxhound2005 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,715 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I know your post wasn't directed at me but when I go recycling I can have at least two of those clear big plastic bags filled with bottles.

    There's only three of us in the house but we go through lots of water and Coca-Cola.

    I live a short distance from town. We leave the bottles build up and put it towards a take-away.

    I could very easily be like the person you took pictures of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,841 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    So would you have mostly the same branded bottles of water and Coca-Cola? Household waste would in general, I feel, there would be some consistency. The person in the photos had a hodgepodge of every conceivable bottle and can. Also, would you be returning at least several hundred bottles and cans at a go?

    Post edited by sligeach on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,715 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Well the Coca-Cola would be the same but the water can vary from size to brand.

    Even the last time I went I had over 100 andI only had one full clear bag and a bit. The boot of my car can be full and often the back seat.

    Post edited by freshpopcorn on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,641 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Well before DRS I got a few of these when they were on sale in Aldi for €5. 40 litre flexi tubs. Useful in the garden and as a clothes basket. I use a couple of them for the bottles and cans, no need for bags. Very easy to keep clean, and they fit into the boot or the back seat of my car.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Manual Return Mr Price... twas slow... no coupon option, just cash refund from the till.

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    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,375 ✭✭✭jj880




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They didn't scan each item or anything with a barcode scanner as far as I could tell, just a visual check.

    The shop assistant had to look up codes on a print out, then key that into the till.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,165 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The issue isn't being near a machine. It's being able to find a working one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,165 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Where do you store them before you go to the store.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    A garage is a handy place for this type of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,641 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In particular beside the Green Bin in my garage. I can put the flexi tub on top of the bin at night to make room for the car. If I had a full one and I wasn't going to the shop, I could store that in the boot of the car. Also empty flexi tubs can be stored stacked into each other, not taking up much room anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,165 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Most houses don't have a garage. I didn't buy a car to use to it store rubbish, strange as that seems. Seems odd have a green bin then need more containers for exactly the same thing. But other countries do this for aluminium.

    I'd say my success rate with returns is about 40-50%. It's taking so much space and time. It's just not worth it.

    They should give people the option of an can and bottle bin, than this system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 peaty_trance0f


    Exactly. I let a few bags build up in the shed before I make a trip. I take the empties from my Dad too to save him a trip and hassle.

    Will have to keep an eye out for lurkers taking photos next time and make sure I’m not wearing “bin man clothes”.🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,641 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Where do people store their full bottles and cans? Particularly the ones who avoid the deposit by filling their cars with stock in the North.

    Assuming the people with no garages have Green Bins somewhere, they could store the Deposit empties in that until they are going shopping. Keep them in a bin bag in the bin, separate from the milk cartons and other stuff.

    Or just leave them loose for the bin persons if they do not want the money back. Either way they would be taking up the same room in the bin as before DRS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,165 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Dunno about people who stock pile. I'm would assume anyone who does that has space. Since one would require the other.

    Kitchen and fridge. Don't have a wine cellar, or pantry, where do you store food and drink. In a bag in the outside bin maybe?

    I'm not in the habit of storing things in the bin, then taking it for a drive around the local shops before hand sorting it one by one.

    I was neutral on the idea before it started, but now I think it's ridiculous waste of time money and resources. Seems a really habit in modern society to make simple things complicated.

    Must be a real pain for people in apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,641 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Apartments living probably has lots of real pains worse than deciding whether to bring some containers back to the shop they were bought in, or other shops. Or keep disposing of them whatever way it was done before.

    Whether the majority of dwellings have garages would need figures to prove either way. But there are many dwellings in the countryside with other spaces for storing things, without needing a garage. And even in urban areas I see houses with garages which keep their bins permanently outside.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,165 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    People are obviously blinkered to it. But a lot of people have limited storage for storing this and the problems with the machines only compounds it as you have to store it even longer than should be necessary.



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