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M4 - Maynooth to Leixlip [constr. of inbound bus lane underway;planning and design underway on rest]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,105 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Eamon Ryan in transport has been a mess. There's been f all except a few bike lanes done despite huge budget surpluses. Not ONE major construction project underway anywhere. Dublin Airport crippled as well. It's a disgrace but thankfully it's coming to an end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭corm500


    As I've said elsewhere, giving Ryan the transport brief was akin to putting a fox in charge of a henhouse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,431 ✭✭✭markpb


    Is it inconceivable that there are other modes of transport beyond driving that might be worthy of time and money? He’s not even the Minister primarily responsible for roads, that was given to Jack Chambers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    Not given Irelands very low population density and vicious climate. We will always be a car using society - that reality has yet to dawn on the Green dreamers, but at least they'll be turfed out of office in about 6 months time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,431 ✭✭✭markpb


    Vicious climate? Have you never ventured on holidays anywhere but Playa Del Costa?

    I suspect you’ve also never looked at the actual population density along the parts of the N4 being upgraded. It’s not exactly Leitrim.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Is this still under construction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,746 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    While I agree with your point about other modes of transport, Jack Chambers was only a junior minister and everything would have had to have final sign off from Ryan. There is plenty of proof that Ryan has meddled in the delivery of roads and has cancelled plenty. Only this week he's refused TII the multi annual budget they requested to allow them to actually plan long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,105 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    He'll be gone soon, hopefully in November, and we can back to actually progressing infrastructure. As well as the obstruction he's a useless minister. He has delivered absolutely nothing of substance apart from a couple of bike lanes (progressed before he even got the job). His job is to fight his corner for his department and make sure they have the resources it needs. He's failed spectacularly and he is leaving his department with the country in a mess on transport.

    I would say he was a worse minister than Shane Ross. Absolutely useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Nothing will change. You're all so obsessed with Ryan you can't see the actual reasons why projects are being cut back and postponed. Money.

    The budget for Transport has not kept pace with construction inflation, so the current situation shouldn't be a surprise.

    A future minister can't fix this with policy: they can only distribute the budget they get ; they can't magic up new money from nowhere. What they could do, though, is **** us over for another decade by gutting public transport spending - PT is the only thing that is going to reduce road congestion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    Really ? I use this line regularly but only outside rush hours. Seldom see it busy. Often I have a carriage to myself? So where's the demand. It runs every 30 minutes so it's a great service which rarely requires a long wait. I love it. It passes densely packed suburbs like Cabra, Ashington, Ashtown, Castleknock etc . As a bonus it connects with Broombridge as a feeder so very handy if ya want to avoid Connolly. The Lucan stop, I admit, is a bit of a dud since its far way up a steep hill from the village. Do locals in these suburbs not use it preferring cars or busses ?

    Whether its electrified (at great cost ) or stays at it is misses the point. Is the demand there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Try it during rush hour, not only will you not get a carriage to yourself, you'll barely get a seat to yourself!

    Some trains are almost standing room only leaving Maynooth. New timetable hasn't helped, especially the 30+min gap up to the ~7am train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,746 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I'm not sure what line you're using as there isn't a Lucan stop, its the busiest non-DART commuter line in the country with Maynooth being the 9th or 10th busiest station in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    Sorry I meant Leixslip.

    Granted I use it only outside rush hour because I bring a bike… so I'm not getting the full picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,746 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It'd be one of the busiest commuter lines outside of peak also, and has peak traffic in both directions due to MU and Intel - more so than some sections of the DART.

    Coolmine is close to the top ten busiest stations as well as Maynooth being in it. New station at Pelletstown was an instant success and is very busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭joeymcg


    Mmmm lovely, lovely roads

    Shame it's not what's being talked about here...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    A shortage of money? €8bn surplus last year. €8bn surplus this year. Plus €14bn Apple money. Infrastructure is exactly where this should be spent and the majority roads projects that are to be build would cost less than €3bn. That still leaves plenty of money for MN, DART+, BusConnects, hospitals, schools etc.

    Money is not an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,746 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Surplus is the operative word there - its not in the transport budget, or any budget.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    But the money is there and it could easily be added to future budgets. Or put into a multi year infrastructural fund separate from the budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    I can see a mirror to the English m4 bus lane situation where common sense will make them change this to a regular lane.

    Until every suburb from kinnegad to leixlip gets a direct bus service to city, the lane will be underutilised



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,105 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    They've just signed a contract for westbound consultancy on another bus lane. Another Mickey Mouse project courtesy of Eamon Ryan. The real schemes were downgraded to this rubbish which benefits nobody. Buses are not stuck in traffic on the M4. There is hardly any of them in the first place. Absurd waste of our money and they will obviously be turned in to regular lanes at a later date. It's all nonsense.

    Another thing I have noticed - They've referred to the eastbound one as the "pilot scheme". So the "pilot" scheme isn't up and running yet (it's barely started construction) so everyone can see it's a load of bs yet they sign another contract to waste more of our money.

    That's what we're dealing with.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Scheme is well underway, I drove alongside it over the weekend.

    As it takes over the hard shoulder, there’s no possibility of it ever being turned into a general running lane. If it did, where would the hard shoulder be then?

    What’s needed is the original six laning plan, with the buslanes being nice to haves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,322 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I saw it recently too - well under construction at this stage. I agree that the new 'bus lane' will not be turned into a general running lane, they tried having no hard shoulders on motorways in the UK and it's been a cluster***k. We absolutely should not do the same thing here.

    BTW what is (or will be) the law regarding breakdowns on the "motorway with a bus lane" thing they're doing here? Like if you are driving a car and you suffer a burst tire or engine overheating, will you be allowed to pull into the bus lane?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    In an emergency there's not much you're not allowed to do to get to safety. Buses are free to use any lane they want ad per this case.

    The problem with bus lanes and buses in general is the multi stopping. If i get on in say Kinnegad, the bus service stops in about 20 locations. Even with this new lane i can still get from door to Heuston far quicker in car than getting to bus. Non stop buses in rush hours would get there quicker than car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


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    The hard shoulder will still legally be the hard shoulder and can be used in an emergency. However they are also adding refuge areas every 500 metres so cars can pull in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,370 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    This is a shocking proposal. Motorways need proper hard shoulders, end of. We should not start this British style degrading of our road network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The refuge areas mean cars can get off the road if needed. Hard shoulders come from a time when cars broke down regularly, modern cars don't breakdown often. The hard shoulder is for emergency use but I'd say it is more often used for non-emergencies. For the short distance involved, I can't see this being an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,370 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    It is degrading the road network and these is no need for this in a country which had the funds to do it properly. Your defence seems to be that it is only a short bit, but it sets a bad principle. The government should not make roads more dangerous in a country where the fatality rate is increasing, yet they are taking well designed motorways and compromising them with this, turning off street lights and who knows what else.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    As a parent of a young child, the hard shoulder on a motorway is often used when your child suddenly has to pee and there’s no time to go to a formal toilet. (That certainly qualifies as an emergency use!)

    You absolutely have to be able to pull your car over on a motorway, we can’t replace it with a bus lane.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    How would it make roads more dangerous? Having a mostly empty bus lane between the driving lanes and the refuge area would make it safer than a narrow hard shoulder with cars whizzing by at 120km/h. 500m between refuge areas is nothing and if a car absolutely had to pull in immediately and couldn't move any further, it could use the bus lane anyway. You seem to assume that the current design is perfect but what's proposed is actually better on approach to cities.



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